Game over. Congress approved this yesterday.
If Congress refuses to authorize further operations, all combat operations must cease and desist within 30 days, else The Obama will be in violation of the WPA.
This should anger everyone to the Nth degree, although His partisan supporters will continue to defend Him.
"Washington (CNN) -- The exact timing of a Senate vote on a resolution to back U.S. military action in Libya is not decided, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Tuesday, adding the vote would not come this month.
Specifically, he said the vote would not happen before the Memorial Day recess, which begins when senators leave this week and is scheduled to run through June 5."
Reid: Senate not to vote on Libya resolution this month - CNN.com
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I know I'm chiming in late on this issue, but I wanted to do alittle more research as to the mechanics of the War Powers Act and then try to find the "60-day letter" the President apparently delivered to Congress concerning continued involvement in Libya.
For starters as I understand the wording of the War Powers Act, per Section 1543(c), after the President has notified Congress that he has committed armed forces in support of hostilities in a foreign nation and Congress has subsequently granted him permission to do so (either by Congressional resolution or by not objecting to his actions), the President has 30 days to issue either an initial report of action to Congress or he must make a reporting not later than 6 months from the date he notified Congress of his initial force committment. Frankly, I find this reporting criteria confusing, but per my search of correspondence at Whitehouse.gov, the President did make his initial report to Congress on or about March 20 and made a follow-up report in April. (Note: Search criteria used: "letter Libya")
The President then as 60 days to notify Congress if he believes it is warranted to retain armed forces in theater per Sect. 1544(b).
According to the President's Press Secretary, Jay Carney, and as supported by the OP, the President notified Congress within the 60-day window according to the law. From a recent press briefing given on May 25, 2011:
So, for those who believe the President has violated the law, sorry to disappoint...Q Ben, but how can the U.S. continue to support the war without having Congress -- now that 60 days have expired late last week -- how can you continue to participate in a war without Congress approving a resolution to say the U.S. can still participate?
MR. RHODES: Well, Ed, I think we addressed that through the letter the President sent up to Congress at the end of last week, again, reaffirming our ongoing efforts in Libya and expressing support for a resolution that is currently being worked in the Senate by a number of senators including, for instance, Senator McCain, Senator Kerry and others. So we believe we have the authorities we need.
We believe we have the obligation to continue to consult with Congress on this issue, and we, again, expressed our support for the resolution that is being worked in the Senate.
Q -- Congress’s support why didn’t you get it before the 60 days expired? I don't understand, if you continue to do it, if you don't have the approval you say you're going to seek --
MR. RHODES: It’s Congress’s decision as to whether and when they take up a resolution. So, again, that's -- Congress will determine the timing of when it might consider a resolution. What we've done is consistently consult with Congress through testimony and other means, and again, in the letter from the President we've expressed support for the particular resolution that was brought to our attention.
This takes me back to the article in the OP. From the article:
Until I or someone else can post the letter or a link thereto, I think what we have here is speculation by the reporter because nothing in the quoted comments from the article suggests the President was even considering by-passing Congress on this matter. The very fact that the author indicates that the President notified Congress "this afternoon" (the article is dated May 20) should have clued the skeptics in.President Obama wrote a letter to congressional leaders this afternoon suggesting that the role is now so “limited” he does not need to seek congressional approval.
Congress then has 24 days to act on the President's request (per Sect. 1544(b)(2)) to which it can extend armed forces involvement in theater for up to an additional 30 days from the day Congress acts on the President's 60-day notification (Sect. 1545(a)).
Last edited by Objective Voice; 05-25-11 at 04:59 PM.
hey, it's his war and he can do what he wants
and he is
Obama, Cameron See Long Slog in LibyaLONDON—U.S. President Barack Obama and British Prime Minister David Cameron warned that military operations in Libya will be a long slog that continues until Col. Moammar Gadhafi leaves power, a shift from the president's initial stance that the military intervention in Libya would be limited in nature.
Mr. Obama's remarks—first in a news conference with Mr. Cameron, then in a high-profile speech before both houses of Parliament—made clear that the U.S. and its allies are bracing for a long battle not just to remove Col. Gadhafi from power, but also to guide the burgeoning democracy movement in other Arab nations to a successful conclusion.
In both appearances, Mr. Obama stressed that a long game is under way throughout the Middle East. He said military action in Libya is going to be "a slow, steady process in which we're able to wear down the regime forces and change the political calculations of the Gadhafi regime to the point where they finally realize that they're not going to control this country."
He said there were no "artificial" timetables for U.S. forces to pull back. Both leaders once again ruled out sending in ground forces.
The U.S. position has evolved from being one of limited intervention to one where Mr. Obama is now preparing the country for a lengthy battle. In recent days, North Atlantic Treaty Organization forces have intensified their bombing of Col. Gadhafi's military, sinking naval ships and destroying regime headquarters in Tripoli.
days, not weeks?
no fly zone?
nato's war, not ours?
and remember, if you break it, mr president...
exactly how far has the commander in chief seen thru all this?