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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Your article mentions no position taken by Congress. It is my understanding that individual Congressmen do no speak for all of Congress. Can you reference me to Congressional statement of opposition as I requested previously?
    I don't think there is one yet. Are you saying that he isn't in violation of the law until Congress acknowledges he's in violation? The law is the law regardless of any congressional resolutions, and the president is not above it.
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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Your article mentions no position taken by Congress. It is my understanding that individual Congressmen do no speak for all of Congress. Can you reference me to Congressional statement of opposition as I requested previously?
    U.S.: Congress Pushes for Vote on Libya Intervention - IPS ipsnews.net


    Congressman Dennis Kucinich plans to introduce a bill next week in the U.S. House of Representatives to vote on the use of force in Libya.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    what is our mission in libya, how exactly is success defined?

    what's our exit strategy?

    if we succeed in breaking libya, who owns it?

    march 18: Obama to Members of Congress: Action Versus Libya to Last 'Days not Weeks' - Political Punch

    are you sure this guy knows what he's doing?

    and are you sure his CHARACTER is up to the job?

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I don't think there is one yet. Are you saying that he isn't in violation of the law until Congress acknowledges he's in violation? The law is the law regardless of any congressional resolutions, and the president is not above it.
    Who has charged Obama with a violatation of the war powers act? No one that I am aware of. And unless Congress takes a stand on being opposed to our involvement in the NATO action (and he continues anyway), I see little likelyhood that any charges will be brought against Obama.
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    LOL! While it is most refreshing to see the new GOP political forum support of Kucinich and his positions, I am willing to bet you that Congress doesn't take Kucinich's push for them to take a stand!
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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Who has charged Obama with a violatation of the war powers act? No one that I am aware of.
    Violations of the law are not dependent on whether or not he is sued or censured or charged with anything. It just means he might get away with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba
    And unless Congress takes a stand on being opposed to our involvement in the NATO action (and he continues anyway), I see little likelyhood that any charges will be brought against Obama.
    I'm not talking about criminal charges, I'm talking about getting a court-ordered injunction demanding he cease and desist. If the president gets away with ignoring the War Powers Act (whether the other branches of government acknowledge it or not), then every future president will ignore it too and cite Obama's involvement in Libya as precedent. That is not healthy for our government's checks and balances.
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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Violations of the law are not dependent on whether or not he is sued or censured or charged with anything. It just means he might get away with it.

    I'm not talking about criminal charges, I'm talking about getting a court-ordered injunction demanding he cease and desist. If the president gets away with ignoring the War Powers Act (whether the other branches of government acknowledge it or not), then every future president will ignore it too and cite Obama's involvement in Libya as precedent. That is not healthy for our government's checks and balances.

    If it turns out that it is a violation, I would agree. However, I'm not convinced that our limited involvement in this NATO action is a violation of the war powers act. If it turns out be the case, then by all means require him to cease desist with our support of the NATO action.

    Regardless of whehter it is or not to me doesn't relieve Congress from taking a stand on our involvement in the NATO action. I think it is cowardly that they have not taken a vote before now.
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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If it turns out that it is a violation, I would agree. However, I'm not convinced that our limited involvement in this NATO action is a violation of the war powers act. If it turns out be the case, then by all means require him to cease desist with our support of the NATO action.

    Regardless of whehter it is or not to me doesn't relieve Congress from taking a stand on our involvement in the NATO action. I think it is cowardly that they have not taken a vote before now.
    Ok let me ask you to honestly answer a simple question.

    Using Obama’s 2007 written response to the Boston Globe as the criteria for what is/isn’t constitutional, did Obama violate the Constitution by bombing Libya?

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    It is official: The attacks continue. Link

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    It is official: The attacks continue. Link
    Yep, it says right in the headline that the NATO strikes continue. And Congress has yet to take an official position.
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