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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by shades View Post
    simply put, this is not a story because the main stream media doesnt want it to be.

    We have become a country that lets the media tell us what is important and what isnt.
    What matters and what doesnt.

    And liberals think its ok, at every turn for Obama to act like the biggest hypocrite that ever held office.

    I opine that breaking the law however, has crossed the line of control.
    and I also opine that he will be dealt with in 2012..

    until then its just embarrasing to watch.

    but...patience my fellow Americans
    Or that it has been reported, but your bias has not been prominate, and you want the media to reflect your bais.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We ahven't invaded nor occupied any country here. As an element of UN support, I'm not sure it is needed. But, I ahve stated I would have prefered he asked for a specific mission and got that mission approved, and not a blanket passing of the buck.
    Are you implying that this action doesnít fall under the War Powers Act simply because Obama hasnít sent ground forces into Libya?

    If so, Obama obviously disagreed with you prior to being elected President but now that he is President he has changed his mind.

    You see, you canít say it would be unconstitutional for a president to bomb the nuclear facilities of an enemy state (Iran) that is developing weapons that might be used on the US or its allies in the future and then say that it is constitutional to bomb Libya where no threat is even espoused to exist.

    Obama has broken his oath of office (preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States) by bombing Libya, with or without congressional approval, according to his own words.

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    but your bias has not been prominate
    prominate?

    LOL!

    what was that again about words and definitions?

    dept chair, huh?

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Are you implying that this action doesn’t fall under the War Powers Act simply because Obama hasn’t sent ground forces into Libya?

    If so, Obama obviously disagreed with you prior to being elected President but now that he is President he has changed his mind.

    You see, you can’t say it would be unconstitutional for a president to bomb the nuclear facilities of an enemy state (Iran) that is developing weapons that might be used on the US or its allies in the future and then say that it is constitutional to bomb Libya where no threat is even espoused to exist.

    Obama has broken his oath of office (preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States) by bombing Libya, with or without congressional approval, according to his own words.
    no, I'm saying Obama is working with the UN and as such is different. Bush was both outside the UN and without a declaration of war, giving little to no legitimacy to his actions.

    and no, I don't believe Obama has broken his oath even though I would have prefered he went to congress.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's a bit dishonest.
    Net effect is the same. You can cite no such defintion, and so your defintion has nothing other than your preference behind it.

    A declaration of war states that we are at a state of war...
    Please cite the constitional/legislative text to that effect.

    I ask again:
    How is legislation that authorizes the government of the United States to go to war with, to commit acts of war against and to make war upon another state not a declaration of war?

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Are you implying that this action doesn’t fall under the War Powers Act simply because Obama hasn’t sent ground forces into Libya?
    That's the same excuse The Obama has made.
    It doesn't hold water. Nothing in the WPA limits its effect to ground troops.

    If so, Obama obviously disagreed with you prior to being elected President but now that he is President he has changed his mind.
    As have many of His supporters, as evidenced by their towing the line.
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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And no, I don't believe Obama has broken his oath even though I would have prefered he went to congress.
    Of course not. The (D) next to the name changes everything.

    no, I'm saying Obama is working with the UN and as such is different
    Not in terms of US law.
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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    no, I'm saying Obama is working with the UN and as such is different. Bush was both outside the UN and without a declaration of war, giving little to no legitimacy to his actions.

    and no, I don't believe Obama has broken his oath even though I would have prefered he went to congress.
    First off Boo, in what context are you speaking of Bush acting without UN resolution to do such? Iraq? Afghanistan?

    Second, do you believe that the US must gain UN approval before they act as a sovereign country?

    Lastly, why would we wait for the UN to approve of what we do when they clearly have a bias against the US.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I would have prefered he went to congress.
    dept chair, eh?

    LOL!

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Net effect is the same. You can cite no such defintion, and so your defintion has nothing other than your preference behind it.


    Please cite the constitional/legislative text to that effect.

    I ask again:
    How is legislation that authorizes the government of the United States to go to war with, to commit acts of war against and to make war upon another state not a declaration of war?
    Not true. I cited the defintion. You seem to think that the constitution holds different meanings for words. I see no reason to believe that.

    And again, one declares we are at war, now. The other says if the president chooses to be he can take us to war. These are two different things. The Constitution gives this power to congress and not the president. If congress passes it on to the president, they are not living up to their responsibilities.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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