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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Checklist:

    1) Has Libya attacked us?

    2) Are they an imminent threat?

    3) Is there a US interest there?

    4) Are we involved in a civil war?

    5) Is there Congressional approval?

    6) Is it in contravention of actual, codified US law?

    The Obama comes up on the wrong side of each one of those questions -- keep in mind, of course, that it wasHIS side who created the checklist to begin with.

    Just another of the many issues regarting The Obama that will seperate the Liberals from the partisan bigots.


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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You're mincing words, Congress supported the war. That's an undeniable fact. Have another cup of coffee.
    no, I'm stating fact. There was no declaration of war. And support is questionable, for example Kerry voted to pass the buck but stated clearly if Bush invaded outside the UN he would oppose it. Not sure that is support. However, factually, all of them merely passed the buck.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    A resolution of force by Congress is a de facto delclaration of war.
    The Constitution does not specify how a declaration need be made, and so the effect, not the text, of the resolution is all that matters.
    It's nothing of the kind. And they did not dictate that he use force, but instead merely allowed him to decide whether to use force or not. This is a very different animal.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    no, I'm stating fact. There was no declaration of war. And support is questionable, for example Kerry voted to pass the buck but stated clearly if Bush invaded outside the UN he would oppose it. Not sure that is support. However, factually, all of them merely passed the buck.
    If you feel that Congress only 'passed the buck' to George Bush don't you think it wise that Obama get Congressional approval to pass the buck to him?

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's nothing of the kind.
    Because....?

    And they did not dictate that he use force, but instead merely allowed him to decide whether to use force or not.
    The exact same thing can be said for the declarations of war against, say, Japan and Germany.

    This is a very different animal.
    As different as 'de facto' and 'actual'.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Because....?
    I gave you the because.

    The exact same thing can be said for the declarations of war against, say, Japan and Germany.
    No, that can't be. A declaration of war is much more specific, and puts us at a state of war.

    As different as 'de facto' and 'actual'.
    No, as different as an apple and a tree frog.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If you feel that Congress only 'passed the buck' to George Bush don't you think it wise that Obama get Congressional approval to pass the buck to him?
    We ahven't invaded nor occupied any country here. As an element of UN support, I'm not sure it is needed. But, I ahve stated I would have prefered he asked for a specific mission and got that mission approved, and not a blanket passing of the buck.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I gave you the because.
    Ah. Then your premise is unsound.

    No, that can't be.
    Yes, yes it can. Nothing dictates the content of a declaration of war.

    A declaration of war is much more specific...
    In what terms? What necessitates this?

    and puts us at a state of war.
    As does any declaration of war, however worded.

    No, as different as an apple and a tree frog.
    Incorrect, as has been shown.

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    Re: White House: Limited Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorizati

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    That's true, but I don't think the strategy of hoping they never get their **** together is a winner. The revolutions we're seeing, now, is another attempt at uniting all the Arab states.
    That's completely ridiculous and ignores reality. The reason that the Arab Spring is occurring is because people are tired of dealing with crappy, oppressive governments that only care about themselves.

    If things go as I hope, which now look quite iffy, the people of the Middle East will be functioning democracies.
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