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Tenn. Senate OKs ban on teaching of homosexuality

Wait... kids aren't allowed to say they have two moms or dads?


From OP article:
A bill passed Friday by the Tennessee Senate would forbid public school teachers and students in grades kindergarten through eight from discussing the fact that some people are gay.

IOW a kid can not say their parents are gay.
 
Wait... kids aren't allowed to say they have two moms or dads? Or is this just saying the teachers are not allowed to teach little kids about homosexuals. By the way, when was this type of education taken away from the parents and put into the hands of school teachers?

Slightly off topic but I think the idea that sex ed should be left up to the parents is ridiculous. Teens should be taught sex ed by a professional sex educator, and be given facts about things like birth control, abstinence, STI's, Aids, homosexuality, transsexuality, etc. It shouldn't be left up to the parents, just as math, or history shouldn't be left up to the parents.
 
Slightly off topic but I think the idea that sex ed should be left up to the parents is ridiculous. Teens should be taught sex ed by a professional sex educator, and be given facts about things like birth control, abstinence, STI's, Aids, homosexuality, transsexuality, etc. It shouldn't be left up to the parents, just as math, or history shouldn't be left up to the parents.

Asian parents never give us the "sex talk." They just expect you to be smart enough to figure it out.
 
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IOW a kid can not say their parents are gay.

Well thats BS. That's how the dialogue should be opened up. A kid says he has two moms or whatever and the other kids go home and mention it to their parents. Then the parents can explain to them.
 
Slightly off topic but I think the idea that sex ed should be left up to the parents is ridiculous. Teens should be taught sex ed by a professional sex educator, and be given facts about things like birth control, abstinence, STI's, Aids, homosexuality, transsexuality, etc. It shouldn't be left up to the parents, just as math, or history shouldn't be left up to the parents.

We were talking about little kids here.
However, as far as sex ed and teens, I think the parents should know exactly what is being taught and be supplied with all the material. It should be discussed in the home too and not just left to the so called "professional" sex educators.
 
I don't think either of us are old enough to remember those times, unless we want to dig through the archives.

Regardless, I'm not sure why you actually care, lol.

Hey, I saw the opportunity to make a joke, I took it :2razz:
 
Nobody has satisfactorily explained to me why this must be BANNED. Can ANYONE give a good reason as to why?
 
We were talking about little kids here.
However, as far as sex ed and teens, I think the parents should know exactly what is being taught and be supplied with all the material. It should be discussed in the home too and not just left to the so called "professional" sex educators.

Morality, yes. Education... no. Parents do not have the information or material to do so.
 
No one in the school, child or teacher, is allowed to even acknowledge that homosexuality exist without fear of punishment. Thats what the law states. If a student has homosexual parents, they can't talk about it.

Which is really ****ed up if you think about it. A kid with two moms comes in and says so, then the teacher tells the kid he can't talk about it in school, and thus making him feel weird, sad, angry, etc that he can't talk about his parents, or have his parents participate in school functions like the other kids parents would.
 
Wait... kids aren't allowed to say they have two moms or dads? Or is this just saying the teachers are not allowed to teach little kids about homosexuals. By the way, when was this type of education taken away from the parents and put into the hands of school teachers?

as near as i can tell, all it does is actively restrict the schoolteachers. no teaching your own version (or some superintendents' version) of sex ed for elementary students; no distribution of "materials" which you will expect the students to "discuss in class and demonstrate achieved learning objectives" etc.

which is just fine with me - i will handle teaching my kids about life. you teach them about geometry. that's what i pay you to do.
 
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Truthfully, the people in the Tennessee Legislature are really stupid. This has practically no chance of passing, and if it does, it will get struck down by the courts, most likely on 1st Amendment grounds. If they REALLY wanted to accomplish what they seem to want to accomplish, what they should have done is allowed the Tennessee Department of Education alter the curriculum to reflect these changes. By doing so, they bypass the creation of a government law, doing an end run around the 1st Amendment. The Supreme Court has often upheld situations where free speech in schools has been limited. These guys think they were cute, but actually, they were pretty stupid.
 
http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/107/Bill/SB0049.pdf

AN ACT to amend Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 49,
Chapter 6, Part 10, relative to education.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF TENNESSEE:
SECTION 1. Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 49-6-1005, is amended by adding
the following as new subsection (c) and by relettering the existing subsection (c) accordingly:
(c)
(1) The general assembly recognizes the sensitivity of particular subjects
that are best explained and discussed in the home. Human sexuality is a
complex subject with societal, scientific, psychological, and historical
implications; those implications are best understood by children with sufficient
maturity to grasp their complexity.
(2) Notwithstanding any other law to the contrary, no public elementary or
middle school shall provide any instruction or material that discusses sexual
orientation other than heterosexuality.
SECTION 2. This act shall take effect upon becoming a law, the public welfare requiring

So it can be brought up, but it can't be discussed in the class room. A teacher cannot legally say anything about the issue, and seems a discussion cannot be allowed even among the peers.
 
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http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/107/Bill/SB0049.pdf



So it can be brought up, but it can't be discussed in the class room. A teacher cannot legally say anything about the issue and it can't be talked about.

So - unless you're past 8th grade you're not mature enough to understand that some girls kiss girls and like it, and that some dudes cornhole each other.

Ya can't protect your children from reality forever parents - if they can facebook they can google some porn, including lesbian porn.
 
Slightly off topic but I think the idea that sex ed should be left up to the parents is ridiculous. Teens should be taught sex ed by a professional sex educator, and be given facts about things like birth control, abstinence, STI's, Aids, homosexuality, transsexuality, etc. It shouldn't be left up to the parents, just as math, or history shouldn't be left up to the parents.

good point. if we left the teaching of sexuality to just any ole body, we could end up with all manner of things. who knows what would or wouldn't go on.

that's why I applaud Tennessee here. we need to make sure that the schools hire decent, upstanding, professionals to come in and give the students their belief system as regards sexuality. we can walk the kids through a "hell house" for our abortion lesson, explain how women are born to be subservient, and describe how all gay men are probably also child-rapists. this is all vital information that these kids need to know in order to live their lives as healthy and morally-secure born-agains.

and when people like that san-fransisco-nancy-pelosi-lovin Your Star complain that what we are exposing their children to is utterly offensive and contrary to what they want their child learning, we'll just calmly explain that idiotic and sinful ideals like yours are precisely why we need the schools to handle raising your child for you... as your disagreement with us is all the proof we need that you are too incompetent to handle discussing this kind of thing with them.


so you see, it all works :)
 
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good point. if we left the teaching of sexuality to people like your star, we could end up with all manner of things. who knows what would or wouldn't go on.

that's why I applaud Tennessee here. we need to make sure that the schools hire decent, upstanding, professionals to come in and give the students their belief system as regards sexuality. we can walk the kids through a "hell house" for our abortion lesson, explain how women are born to be subservient, and describe how all gay men are probably also child-rapists.

and when people like you complain that that is utterly offensive and contrary to what you want your child learning, we'll just calmly explain that idiotic and sinful ideals like yours are precisely why we need the schools to handle raising your child for you... as your disagreement with us is all the proof we need that you are too incompetent to handle discussing this kind of thing with them.


so you see, it all works :)

If you read her post, you would know that she said nothing that pertains to what you wrote. She was speaking about education NOT morality or beliefs.
 
http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/107/Bill/SB0049.pdf



So it can be brought up, but it can't be discussed in the class room. A teacher cannot legally say anything about the issue, and seems a discussion cannot be allowed even among the peers.

in the classroom, discussion among peers shouldn't be going on anywho unless it is a specifically assigned group task relating to the subject matter.
 
good point. if we left the teaching of sexuality to just any ole body, we could end up with all manner of things. who knows what would or wouldn't go on.

that's why I applaud Tennessee here. we need to make sure that the schools hire decent, upstanding, professionals to come in and give the students their belief system as regards sexuality. we can walk the kids through a "hell house" for our abortion lesson, explain how women are born to be subservient, and describe how all gay men are probably also child-rapists. this is all vital information that these kids need to know in order to live their lives as healthy born-agains.

and when people like that san-fransisco-nancy-pelosi-lovin Your Star complain that what we are exposing their children to is utterly offensive and contrary to what they want their child learning, we'll just calmly explain that idiotic and sinful ideals like yours are precisely why we need the schools to handle raising your child for you... as your disagreement with us is all the proof we need that you are too incompetent to handle discussing this kind of thing with them.


so you see, it all works :)

What are you talking about? I don't want the morality of sexuality to be taught it schools, I want the facts about not just homosexuality, but sexuality in general to be taught. By professional sex education teachers, just like I want math, and history to be taught by professional teachers in those fields.
 
I have to believe that cpwill was at least partially being facetious there.

Pretty sure you are correct. Wanted to point out the distinction between education and morality, though. My guess is, that will be how this thread will proceed.
 
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