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    Re: Tenn. Senate OKs ban on teaching of homosexuality

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    good point. if we left the teaching of sexuality to people like your star, we could end up with all manner of things. who knows what would or wouldn't go on.

    that's why I applaud Tennessee here. we need to make sure that the schools hire decent, upstanding, professionals to come in and give the students their belief system as regards sexuality. we can walk the kids through a "hell house" for our abortion lesson, explain how women are born to be subservient, and describe how all gay men are probably also child-rapists.

    and when people like you complain that that is utterly offensive and contrary to what you want your child learning, we'll just calmly explain that idiotic and sinful ideals like yours are precisely why we need the schools to handle raising your child for you... as your disagreement with us is all the proof we need that you are too incompetent to handle discussing this kind of thing with them.


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    If you read her post, you would know that she said nothing that pertains to what you wrote. She was speaking about education NOT morality or beliefs.
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    Re: Tenn. Senate OKs ban on teaching of homosexuality

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    If you read her post, you would know that she said nothing that pertains to what you wrote. She was speaking about education NOT morality or beliefs.
    I have to believe that cpwill was at least partially being facetious there.
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    Re: Tenn. Senate OKs ban on teaching of homosexuality

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/107/Bill/SB0049.pdf



    So it can be brought up, but it can't be discussed in the class room. A teacher cannot legally say anything about the issue, and seems a discussion cannot be allowed even among the peers.
    in the classroom, discussion among peers shouldn't be going on anywho unless it is a specifically assigned group task relating to the subject matter.

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    Re: Tenn. Senate OKs ban on teaching of homosexuality

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    good point. if we left the teaching of sexuality to just any ole body, we could end up with all manner of things. who knows what would or wouldn't go on.

    that's why I applaud Tennessee here. we need to make sure that the schools hire decent, upstanding, professionals to come in and give the students their belief system as regards sexuality. we can walk the kids through a "hell house" for our abortion lesson, explain how women are born to be subservient, and describe how all gay men are probably also child-rapists. this is all vital information that these kids need to know in order to live their lives as healthy born-agains.

    and when people like that san-fransisco-nancy-pelosi-lovin Your Star complain that what we are exposing their children to is utterly offensive and contrary to what they want their child learning, we'll just calmly explain that idiotic and sinful ideals like yours are precisely why we need the schools to handle raising your child for you... as your disagreement with us is all the proof we need that you are too incompetent to handle discussing this kind of thing with them.


    so you see, it all works
    What are you talking about? I don't want the morality of sexuality to be taught it schools, I want the facts about not just homosexuality, but sexuality in general to be taught. By professional sex education teachers, just like I want math, and history to be taught by professional teachers in those fields.
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    Re: Tenn. Senate OKs ban on teaching of homosexuality

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I have to believe that cpwill was at least partially being facetious there.
    Pretty sure you are correct. Wanted to point out the distinction between education and morality, though. My guess is, that will be how this thread will proceed.
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    Re: Tenn. Senate OKs ban on teaching of homosexuality

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    If you read her post, you would know that she said nothing that pertains to what you wrote. She was speaking about education NOT morality or beliefs.
    on the contrary, the two aren't distinguishable when you are discussing this sort of thing.

    which is why i want the whole damn matter out of schools - our concepts of family, society, morality; they are too important to be left to government, and attempting to do so only leaves at each others throats, as it forces some of our most deeply held beliefs into conflicting with each other over the things in this world we hold most dear. it creates unnecessary conflict.

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    I have to believe that cpwill was at least partially being facetious there.
    I like yourstar. respect her quite a bit, too - she's one of the best posters on DP, and I have a sneaking suspicion that were we ever to meet in real life, we would be drinking buddies. my little sister is a lesbian (my little sister is also cool as ****), and i love her with everything in me. but sometimes it helps people to identify that there is something "wrong" when the shoes are placed on opposite feet. the government is not my childs' parent - I am, and it is no better to have the government teach my child a system that includes moral messages that I find contrary to how i wish to raise my child than it is to have the government teach your (or yourstars') child a social system that includes moral messages contrary to how you wish them raised.


    why are people so eager to get "morality out of government" so eager to put it in the schools? I would suspect a potential answer might be found in the number of evangelical voters, contrasted with the relative liberality of the government education services. It's always hard to see that you may be pushing too far when it's your own system you're pushing .
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    Re: Tenn. Senate OKs ban on teaching of homosexuality

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    on the contrary, the two aren't distinguishable when you are discussing this sort of thing.
    Wrong. They absolutely are.

    which is why i want the whole damn matter out of schools - our concepts of family, society, morality; they are too important to be left to government, and attempting to do so only leaves at each others throats, as it forces some of our most deeply held beliefs into conflicting with each other over the things in this world we hold most dear. it creates unnecessary conflict.
    The problem is when some folks confuse education with morality... like those that think teaching sex education is encouraging promiscuity... or those who think teaching that different sexual orientations exist is teaching how to be gay. That's the problem and what creates the conflict.
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    Re: Tenn. Senate OKs ban on teaching of homosexuality

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    What are you talking about? I don't want the morality of sexuality to be taught it schools, I want the facts about not just homosexuality
    ah, but so does our mythical tennessean above. you just don't agree with his facts, nor he with yours. the fact that you are evil demonspawn and doomed for burning for your wicked lusts is something children need to be made aware of, just as the fact that sex is a normal part of a high school experience and needs to be done with condoms is. both imply a moral judgement, though one of condemnation and another of enabling or equivalency.

    but sexuality in general to be taught. By professional sex education teachers, just like I want math, and history to be taught by professional teachers in those fields.
    if you want to teach biology that's fine and it belongs. no graduate should still buy the stork theory but if you want to teach sexuality, leave it to the family, or wait for college, when the (adult) student chooses the class.

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    Re: Tenn. Senate OKs ban on teaching of homosexuality

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    Wrong. They absolutely are.
    they absolutely are not, and even the claim that there is nothing inherently moral about how we approach sexuality assumes a particular moral system. these are a priori arguments, here, CC. hence the depth and the continual nature of the conflict over them.

    this is also (side note) why centralized systems produce more conflict than decentralized ones. when you attempt to force the same answer on everyone, the people who disagree are going to push back.

    allow each family to teach as they will, and let the kids learn math and science. we're falling behind enough in those as it is.

    The problem is when some folks confuse education with morality... like those that think teaching sex education is encouraging promiscuity... or those who think teaching that different sexual orientations exist is teaching how to be gay. That's the problem and what creates the conflict.
    i can't tell you for others, but my conflict comes from the school trying to step in and do my job in a way of which I don't approve. any more than you would appreciate someone teaching your child my post above.
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    Re: Tenn. Senate OKs ban on teaching of homosexuality

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    they absolutely are not, and even the claim that there is nothing inherently moral about how we approach sexuality assumes a particular moral system.
    No, they absolutely are. There is certainly a difference between providing information and making value judgments on that information. It is YOU that is making the value judgments, not I.

    i can't tell you for others, but my conflict comes from the school trying to step in and do my job in a way of which I don't approve. any more than you would appreciate someone teaching your child my post above.
    And I already explained how your post, above, was not relevant to the discussion. It described the teaching of right and wrong, and about beliefs. Not what we are discussing.
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