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    Re: Tenn. Senate OKs ban on teaching of homosexuality

    People... focus. In general, researchers agree that sexual orientation... ANY sexual orientation is most likely caused by one or some combination of the following factors: genetics, biology, biochemistry/hormones, social environment. Ultimately, there is no proof that sexual orientation is innate or chosen.
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    People... focus. In general, researchers agree that sexual orientation... ANY sexual orientation is most likely caused by one or some combination of the following factors: genetics, biology, biochemistry/hormones, social environment. Ultimately, there is no proof that sexual orientation is innate or chosen.
    Is there more evidence to support the claim that it is innate or more evidence to support the claim that it is chosen?

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    I have yet to see any scientific study with good methodology that supports the assertion that it's a result of social environment. All the ones I have read about have been universally rejected by the scientific community as having extremely poor methodology.

    If I'm wrong, I'd be shocked, but please feel free to enlighten me if I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Is there more evidence to support the claim that it is innate or more evidence to support the claim that it is chosen?
    I don't know, CT. I've seen a lot of the scientific evidence that points to innateness, and in general, I agree with it. But, there's also a lot of information that points to choice, abait, it's often anecdotal. I think that the real conclusion will come out of two explorations: 1) Figuring out what causes HETEROsexuality and, 2) Figuring out how do actually define one's sexual orientation. Sexual orientation can be quite fluid in some folks, so it is really hard to determine at times.

    Ultimately, I think that the innateness of sexual orientation will be proven, but until then, the jury is out. Further, since we cannot prove the cause of ANY sexual orientation, the issue is really irrelevant to the entire gay rights discussion. It is a red herring, brought up by the anti- side. You know this as well as I.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    I have yet to see any scientific study with good methodology that supports the assertion that it's a result of social environment. All the ones I have read about have been universally rejected by the scientific community as having extremely poor methodology.

    If I'm wrong, I'd be shocked, but please feel free to enlighten me if I am.
    Indeed. I'm tired of being the only person who ever provides evidence to support my claims. How about it you people out there who believe it is a choice? Could you provide some studies to support your claims?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    It is a red herring, brought up by the anti- side. You know this as well as I.
    It goes down to the claim that it is a preference. Why should one group with a certain preference be given rights when other groups with a certain preference are not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Indeed. I'm tired of being the only person who ever provides evidence to support my claims. How about it you people out there who believe it is a choice? Could you provide some studies to support your claims?
    I doubt there are any scientific studies that demonstrate this, however, with the fluidity of sexuality, as demonstrated in some of the Kinsey studies, and with some self-report surveys, the possiblity of it being choice cannot be dismissed as false. The cause of sexual orientation is, as of yet, unproven. Like I said, I think the answer will come either from a more thorough study of the causes of HETEROsexuality, or from a more clear defining of each sexual orientation, itself.
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    Re: Tenn. Senate OKs ban on teaching of homosexuality

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    There is a mountain of proof? I must have missed the mountain.

    Who would choose to be gay? The kids who want to be different than others but donít want to be all alone would be my first guess.

    When I was in art school I think a lot of my peers choose it.

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    Re: Tenn. Senate OKs ban on teaching of homosexuality

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    It goes down to the claim that it is a preference. Why should one group with a certain preference be given rights when other groups with a certain preference are not?
    Since preference is unprovable, this argument line has no validity. One reason I never argue the discrimination position. Since neither innateness nor preference can be proven conclusively, it's an argument that always stalls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Since preference is unprovable, this argument line has no validity. One reason I never argue the discrimination position. Since neither innateness nor preference can be proven conclusively, it's an argument that always stalls.
    That is why I often ask people who argue that it is a choice to actually define choice.

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