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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    still disagree with you....he is dictating that the democrats will cut what he wants cut
    not really. he is saying that everything is on the table as far as cuts are concerned. the only thing we aren't going to do is not increase taxes. As far as what the Democrats want to cut - as he said, it's all on the table.

    or no debt ceiling increase
    the debt ceiling will be increased - it becomes a question of when, and if the Government has to cut any current spending before it get's passed.

    as for a stronger hand, no, he doesnt
    really? when almost half of democrats support him?

    yeah, i'm sure that he's quaking in his boots with the possibility that he might have to take the position that the American people (and especially voters) support against a position that they don't. The worst possible position for him right now is for Republicans to become the party of fiscal responsibility while Democrats become the party dedicated to Ever More Debt.

    boehner is playing with a busted flush, maybe if during the bush administration republicans were serious about cutting the budget, the whole budget, including the parts they are fond of, i might think this is something more than political grandstanding on the republicans part...boehner is talking a good game, but if you are going to talk the talk, you better be able to walk the walk. boehner hasnt, and i don't believe he has any intention of doing it....this is nothing more than a show a year and a half out from the presidential election.
    let me see if i have this straight.

    I say that Boehner has a stronger hand because the public is solidly on his side, if not a little to his right.

    and you counter with no he doesn't because the last time the Republicans held the House (in 2006), under a different speaker, they had a budget deficit...

    ...when in fact the Republicans history of supporting budget deficits pushes Boehner to the right, as he less room to bring that aforementioned American people into a compromise.

    Not only does he not want to increase taxes. He can't increase taxes.

    i propose freezing the budget at 2011 levels
    yeah okay, after the spikes of the past few years we will freeze and then reduce.


    and then doing 3 percent across the board cuts over the next 5 years...everything gets cut, everyone feels the pain. i don't disagree with you on the fact that cuts need to be made, but boehner wants to take a hacksaw to a problem that requires a scalpel.
    here you are incorrect. we are talking about fully 40% of the budget that is borrowed - and costs are set to explode even as our debt is already approaching unsustainable levels. You don't need a scalpel, and you don't even want a hacksaw.

    you need this:



    i would also raise the tax rates back to clinton era levels.
    but of course you would. fortunately for the economy, that's not on the table
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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    not really. he is saying that everything is on the table as far as cuts are concerned. the only thing we aren't going to do is not increase taxes. As far as what the Democrats want to cut - as he said, it's all on the table.



    the debt ceiling will be increased - it becomes a question of when, and if the Government has to cut any current spending before it get's passed.



    really? when almost half of democrats support him?

    yeah, i'm sure that he's quaking in his boots with the possibility that he might have to take the position that the American people (and especially voters) support against a position that they don't. The worst possible position for him right now is for Republicans to become the party of fiscal responsibility while Democrats become the party dedicated to Ever More Debt.



    let me see if i have this straight.

    I say that Boehner has a stronger hand because the public is solidly on his side, if not a little to his right.

    and you counter with no he doesn't because the last time the Republicans held the House (in 2006), under a different speaker, they had a budget deficit...

    ...when in fact the Republicans history of supporting budget deficits pushes Boehner to the right, as he less room to bring that aforementioned American people into a compromise.

    Not only does he not want to increase taxes. He can't increase taxes.



    yeah okay, after the spikes of the past few years we will freeze and then reduce.




    here you are incorrect. we are talking about fully 40% of the budget that is borrowed - and costs are set to explode even as our debt is already approaching unsustainable levels. You don't need a scalpel, and you don't even want a hacksaw.

    you need this:





    but of course you would. fortunately, that's not on the table
    trust me my friend, the tax increase will most definitely be on the table...do you agree or disagree with what i propose, as far as the cuts? hell, i'd be willing to move it back to 2008 levels and freeze the budget there, and do the 3 percent across the board cuts...watcha think? i do honestly believe that if boehner has gotten a sudden case of religion when it comes to balancing the budget, he will have to give a bit on the tax increase side of things. as i said, their is room to work, and neither side can't come in and issue 'we won't raise taxes' or 'we won't cut entitlments' statements, both will have to give to get.

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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    trust me my friend, the tax increase will most definitely be on the table...
    well we'll see. but if that happens, Speaker Boehner will lose his job. And he knows that.

    do you agree or disagree with what i propose, as far as the cuts? hell, i'd be willing to move it back to 2008 levels and freeze the budget there, and do the 3 percent across the board cuts...watcha think?
    2008 minus the idiotic bush stimulus and tarp? I would take that in return for the debt ceiling increase, probably.

    i do honestly believe that if boehner has gotten a sudden case of religion when it comes to balancing the budget
    he hasn't. He's gotten a big cup of Tea.

    he will have to give a bit on the tax increase side of things.
    given that that would depress what little recovery we are seeing, and thus increase the deficit, i rather doubt it.

    as i said, their is room to work, and neither side can't come in and issue 'we won't raise taxes' or 'we won't cut entitlments' statements, both will have to give to get.
    for the debt increase? nah, there is enough room to play with for something of that size.

    the Budget will definitely include entitlement reform.

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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well we'll see. but if that happens, Speaker Boehner will lose his job. And he knows that.



    2008 minus the idiotic bush stimulus and tarp? I would take that in return for the debt ceiling increase, probably.



    he hasn't. He's gotten a big cup of Tea.



    given that that would depress what little recovery we are seeing, and thus increase the deficit, i rather doubt it.



    for the debt increase? nah, there is enough room to play with for something of that size.

    the Budget will definitely include entitlement reform.
    i don't believe the 'tea party' will last much longer than the next election cycle...it is a wholly owned republican subsidiary, and those folks will return to the gop tent.

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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    The Tea Party probably won't last much longer as an independent power, that is true - it has invaded the Republican Party and done a good job (so far) of taking over. But they actually won the battle within their relative party.

    now, the anti-war movement.... those guys.... we are still in Iraq, Afghanistan, and we are now in Libya and stepping up attacks in Pakistan.... and I can't seem to find those guys anywhere.

    but that's why Boehner won't (can't) accept tax increases. Only the release of the Ryan Budget protected him from a stronger revolt over the 2011 Budget Deal. He walks out of there "reducing the deficit" with tax increases and he is toast.
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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The Tea Party probably won't last much longer as an independent power, that is true - it has invaded the Republican Party and done a good job (so far) of taking over. But they actually won the battle within their relative party.

    now, the anti-war movement.... those guys.... we are still in Iraq, Afghanistan, and we are now in Libya and stepping up attacks in Pakistan.... and I can't seem to find those guys anywhere.

    but that's why Boehner won't (can't) accept tax increases. Only the release of the Ryan Budget protected him from a stronger revolt over the 2011 Budget Deal. He walks out of there "reducing the deficit" with tax increases and he is toast.
    I think the 2011 budget deal dealt a deathblow to the republican party for 2012. They proved to be an Obama-lite party. Now fiscal conservatives have nowhere to go. It will be interesting to see voter participation in the 2012 elections. True liberals can not feel good about voting for Obama other than the fact that he is a minority. True fiscal conservatives can't feel good about voting for the whilte bread republicans who want deficits just for different spending ( defense versus social safety net).

    Hard to call this a democracy when most people wind up voting for the lesser of two evils.

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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    I think the 2011 budget deal dealt a deathblow to the republican party for 2012. They proved to be an Obama-lite party. Now fiscal conservatives have nowhere to go. It will be interesting to see voter participation in the 2012 elections. True liberals can not feel good about voting for Obama other than the fact that he is a minority. True fiscal conservatives can't feel good about voting for the whilte bread republicans who want deficits just for different spending ( defense versus social safety net).

    Hard to call this a democracy when most people wind up voting for the lesser of two evils.
    aaaaaaaaaand I'm thinking you are screwing with us


    but generally this sentiment:

    I think the 2011 budget deal dealt a deathblow to the republican party for 2012. They proved to be an Obama-lite party. Now fiscal conservatives have nowhere to go. It will be interesting to see voter participation in the 2012 elections.
    is a real threat to Republicans. If they aren't on their Mostest Bestest Behavior between now and 2012 they are screwed.

    yay for holding politicians feet to the fire!

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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    now, how can taxes be on the table when kent conrad can't even write one down on a piece of paper

    why did obama and his lame duck extend the bush/obama/clinton/boehner/mcconnell cuts a few hours short of new years eve in the first place

    there will be no tax hikes

    there will be cuomo-like cuts

    as well as structural reform of entitlements

    stay up
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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Now fiscal conservatives have nowhere to go.
    with all due respect (which is significant in your case), you underestimate the level of anti obama animus, in my opinion

    keep up the good work

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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

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    aaaaaaaaaand I'm thinking you are screwing with us


    but generally this sentiment:



    is a real threat to Republicans. If they aren't on their Mostest Bestest Behavior between now and 2012 they are screwed.

    yay for holding politicians feet to the fire!
    You say that now but the incumbent victory rate will still be 85% or higher...
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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