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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    and how much did republicans cut lately? the problem is both sides.
    No the democrats have had the majority since 2007. They had a supermajority the first 2 years of Obama presidency. So it is the democrats that have spent,spent,spent with no sign of slowing down.

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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    americans see one party eager to CUT

    the other is dragging its feet and dithering

    in washington, that is

    today

    out across the country, americans see people like cuomo, christie, moonbeam, quinn, deleo, etc, not so much leading as bowing to the inevitable

    it is what it is

    if something isn't done now to fundamentally reform our budgets our big 3 federal programs, as well as state pensions, will simply not exist in their present forms for our next generation

    and yet kent conrad, two years later, still can't write up a budget

    why?

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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    no my friend, that is called dictating terms
    no, it's dictating a border. the terms are the deal. Reid has every right to dictate a border himself - and if we are to believe the stories coming out of the collapse of the Gang of Six - that is probably what Democrats are doing.

    he wants something from Reid, he is going to have to give something
    and Reid could have easily said fine we won't reform entitlements, either, and they would have gone from there to cut spending from the non-entitlement budget in order to increase the debt ceiling.

    and i suspect that that will be some tax increases, which i know Boehner will throw a fit over, but i suspect he will give in to a tax increase of some kind...
    i sincerely doubt it. Boehner here has the stronger hand - the numbers vary a bit by poll, but at the very least a strong plurality of Americans oppose raising the debt ceiling at all, and some polling even indicates that as much as 43% of Democrats oppose such a move. Any debt - ceiling increase that isn't matched with large spending cuts will be rejected by the American people as spending-as-usual, and will absolutely infuriate the Republicans. Boehner already had to face down a near rebellion over his "100 billion, 60 Billion, 30 billion, 500 million" in "cuts" that he negotiated for what was left of the 2011 budget - if he walks out of there with tax hikes in a debt ceiling rise, he could very easily lose his speakership and/or spawn a third party capable of bleeding off enough support to destroy Republicans in 2012.

    as for Reid, yeah, there will have to be some definite cutting. there is room here for both sides to work, but you can't sit down and straight up say something isnt going to happen....neither side seriously wasnts the U.S. to default, they may play chicken right up to hours before the deadline, but i suspect a deal will get done... i don't think it will be anywhere near the what was it 2 trill? that boehner was looking for....
    boehner suggested 2 trillion. but generally speaking Republicans are open to cutting any amount... and they will vote to raise the debt ceiling by precisely that. If Democrats want to become the "party of debt ceiling increases" by doing it in $250 billion chunks, that's their call.

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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no, it's dictating a border. the terms are the deal. Reid has every right to dictate a border himself - and if we are to believe the stories coming out of the collapse of the Gang of Six - that is probably what Democrats are doing.



    and Reid could have easily said fine we won't reform entitlements, either, and they would have gone from there to cut spending from the non-entitlement budget in order to increase the debt ceiling.



    i sincerely doubt it. Boehner here has the stronger hand - the numbers vary a bit by poll, but at the very least a strong plurality of Americans oppose raising the debt ceiling at all, and some polling even indicates that as much as 43% of Democrats oppose such a move. Any debt - ceiling increase that isn't matched with large spending cuts will be rejected by the American people as spending-as-usual, and will absolutely infuriate the Republicans. Boehner already had to face down a near rebellion over his "100 billion, 60 Billion, 30 billion, 500 million" in "cuts" that he negotiated for what was left of the 2011 budget - if he walks out of there with tax hikes in a debt ceiling rise, he could very easily lose his speakership and/or spawn a third party capable of bleeding off enough support to destroy Republicans in 2012.



    boehner suggested 2 trillion. but generally speaking Republicans are open to cutting any amount... and they will vote to raise the debt ceiling by precisely that. If Democrats want to become the "party of debt ceiling increases" by doing it in $250 billion chunks, that's their call.
    still disagree with you....he is dictating that the democrats will cut what he wants cut, or no debt ceiling increase...as for a stronger hand, no, he doesnt...boehner is playing with a busted flush, maybe if during the bush administration republicans were serious about cutting the budget, the whole budget, including the parts they are fond of, i might think this is something more than political grandstanding on the republicans part...boehner is talking a good game, but if you are going to talk the talk, you better be able to walk the walk. boehner hasnt, and i don't believe he has any intention of doing it....this is nothing more than a show a year and a half out from the presidential election.

    i propose freezing the budget at 2011 levels, and then doing 3 percent across the board cuts over the next 5 years...everything gets cut, everyone feels the pain. i don't disagree with you on the fact that cuts need to be made, but boehner wants to take a hacksaw to a problem that requires a scalpel.

    i would also raise the tax rates back to clinton era levels.
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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    still disagree with you....he is dictating that the democrats will cut what he wants cut, or no debt ceiling increase...as for a stronger hand, no, he doesnt...boehner is playing with a busted flush, maybe if during the bush administration republicans were serious about cutting the budget, the whole budget, including the parts they are fond of, i might think this is something more than political grandstanding on the republicans part...boehner is talking a good game, but if you are going to talk the talk, you better be able to walk the walk. boehner hasnt, and i don't believe he has any intention of doing it....this is nothing more than a show a year and a half out from the presidential election.

    i propose freezing the budget at 2011 levels, and then doing 3 percent across the board cuts over the next 5 years...everything gets cut, everyone feels the pain. i don't disagree with you on the fact that cuts need to be made, but boehner wants to take a hacksaw to a problem that requires a scalpel.
    When busted blame it on Bush....Obama has spent more in 2 years than Bush could have ever dreamed of spending.

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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    When busted blame it on Bush....Obama has spent more in 2 years than Bush could have ever dreamed of spending.

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    cp and myself are having a decent conversation, do you have anything to add?

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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    cp and myself are having a decent conversation, do you have anything to add?
    I realize you don't want to respond to irrefutable fact, but if you think that this OPEN thread is your own forum then I might suggest you use the PM function, if not answer the post or sit down.


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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I realize you don't want to respond to irrefutable fact, but if you think that this OPEN thread is your own forum then I might suggest you use the PM function, if not answer the post or sit down.


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    put down your talking points, turn off hannity/limbaugh/levin/savage/whoever, and if you want to join the conversation, that is fine, but address the base of the post, and quit cherry picking. either add something to the thread, or move along.

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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    put down your talking points, turn off hannity/limbaugh/levin/savage/whoever, and if you want to join the conversation, that is fine, but address the base of the post, and quit cherry picking. either add something to the thread, or move along.
    maybe you forgot, randel, just like you are no longer passing your self off as a conservative, you are no moderater either, so I'll add what ever the hell I want to the discussion.

    Now, there is 14TRILLION plus in debt, and Obama's portion of that is 5TRILLION so speak to that or adjust your lying post.

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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    maybe you forgot, randel, just like you are no longer passing your self off as a conservative, you are no moderater either, so I'll add what ever the hell I want to the discussion.

    Now, there is 14TRILLION plus in debt, and Obama's portion of that is 5TRILLION so speak to that or adjust your lying post.

    j-mac
    lying post.....exactly what did you consider to be my 'lying'? me thinks you have a case of selective outrage...anyhoo...whether you continue to post or not in the thread or not, i'll just disregard you, and converse with those interested in a civil discussion...

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