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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Every single penny of those cuts comes from grants to Christian organizations, law enforcement agencies, and the military. Republicans shoot it down.
    reid and conrad, et al, are entirely free to do so, they have been for two years

    there's a reason...

    hint: ask cuomo, ask the ram, ask moonbeam

    ask the massachusetts house, the legislature in springfield, bing and bobb in detroit

    it's like physics, there's no stopping it

    the white house is the last holdout

    it's just a matter of time

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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I'd want to see calculations on a flat percentage tax. Like, 5%, 10%, 15% across the board. Show me what that does with revenues. Get rid of income levels that remove your tax obligation.
    funny you should mention - the Ryan plan does pretty much just that, and keeps revenues neutral (though to be fair the increased growth every year after that will bring in more money)

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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So the obstruction party we saw under Bush is back. Big surprise. They don't want to cut spending. I am shocked

    Budget talks: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in budget cuts - latimes.com

    Battle lines in federal debt talks sharpened markedly Thursday when the Senate's top Democrat rejected a proposal for $2 trillion in budget cuts as demanded by House Speaker John A. Boehner, saying any cuts must be accompanied by action on closing tax loopholes.

    "You can't do $2 trillion just in cuts," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said in an interview in his Capitol office. "There has to be a mix of spending cuts, including defense. There has to be a more fair apportionment of tax policy in this country."

    Republicans have resisted using tax reform to rein in deficits as Congress and the White House try to break a stalemate over raising the nation's debt limit by Aug. 2 to avoid a first-ever federal default. Boehner's office reiterated Thursday that tax hikes would not be "on the table" in talks.
    Reid has a point. A more fair apportionment of taxes should be done. There's far too many people who don't pay taxes, and the tax code should be written to make the lower classes pay more of their fair share.

    As for the rest, Reid is, of course, wrong. Because the budget deficit is a spending defect, it won't be fixed unless spending is reined in.

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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Reid has a point. A more fair apportionment of taxes should be done. There's far too many people who don't pay taxes, and the tax code should be written to make the lower classes pay more of their fair share.

    As for the rest, Reid is, of course, wrong. Because the budget deficit is a spending defect, it won't be fixed unless spending is reined in.
    He's saying we should both cut spending and raise taxes. A combination of both so that neither has to be drastic. You don't seem to have grasped this.

    So what you're saying is that you support raising taxes for the poor and lowering taxes for the rich? I just want to be clear on that. In this terrible economy when a lot of people are in desperate times, you want to raise taxes on the people who are the most desperate. Just making sure I understand your opinion properly.

    Edit: Incidentally, this situation where half the population "pays no taxes" (actually pays no federal income taxes, which is not the same thing at all) was created by the Bush administration's tax cuts. I thought those were a good thing and we had to make sure every bit of those tax cuts remained? I guess expecting consistency from guys like you is a bit much...
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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So the obstruction party we saw under Bush is back. Big surprise. They don't want to cut spending. I am shocked

    Budget talks: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in budget cuts - latimes.com

    Battle lines in federal debt talks sharpened markedly Thursday when the Senate's top Democrat rejected a proposal for $2 trillion in budget cuts as demanded by House Speaker John A. Boehner, saying any cuts must be accompanied by action on closing tax loopholes.

    "You can't do $2 trillion just in cuts," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said in an interview in his Capitol office. "There has to be a mix of spending cuts, including defense. There has to be a more fair apportionment of tax policy in this country."

    Republicans have resisted using tax reform to rein in deficits as Congress and the White House try to break a stalemate over raising the nation's debt limit by Aug. 2 to avoid a first-ever federal default. Boehner's office reiterated Thursday that tax hikes would not be "on the table" in talks.
    Reid was absolutely correct in rejecting Boehner's demands...Boehner wants to dictate how this will play out, instead of negotiating...isnt going to happen. where was all this interest to balance the budget in the Bush years?

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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Reid has a point. A more fair apportionment of taxes should be done. There's far too many people who don't pay taxes, and the tax code should be written to make the lower classes pay more of their fair share.

    As for the rest, Reid is, of course, wrong. Because the budget deficit is a spending defect, it won't be fixed unless spending is reined in.
    When they show they will stop spending they will see the money goes farther

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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    Boehner is more than willing to negotiate. He only says he won't raise taxes. Reid can counter easily with fine - and we also won't reform entitlements. That's a position that achieves democrat desires to protect those programs from any reductions, while still leaving room in the middle to raise the debt ceiling.

    as for a 'more fair apportionment of tax policy in this country' - if he was talking about getting the 6 out of 10 households who get more from the federal government than they pay in taxes to begin paying something close to their 'fair share', if he was talking about making sure that all americans paid some share.... then i would buy it. but he doesn't, he just means that the people that already pay their share, pay others' shares, and then pay those others a little something extra off the top need to be squeezed even harder.

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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    Reid was absolutely correct in rejecting Boehner's demands...Boehner wants to dictate how this will play out, instead of negotiating...isnt going to happen. where was all this interest to balance the budget in the Bush years?
    Reid has no leg to stand on. He has not cut any spending in the last 2 years

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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Boehner is more than willing to negotiate. He only says he won't raise taxes. Reid can counter easily with fine - and we also won't reform entitlements. That's a position that achieves democrat desires to protect those programs from any reductions, while still leaving room in the middle to raise the debt ceiling.

    as for a 'more fair apportionment of tax policy in this country' - if he was talking about getting the 6 out of 10 households who get more from the federal government than they pay in taxes to begin paying something close to their 'fair share', if he was talking about making sure that all americans paid some share.... then i would buy it. but he doesn't, he just means that the people that already pay their share, pay others' shares, and then pay those others a little something extra off the top need to be squeezed even harder.
    no my friend, that is called dictating terms...he wants something from Reid, he is going to have to give something, and i suspect that that will be some tax increases, which i know Boehner will throw a fit over, but i suspect he will give in to a tax increase of some kind...as for Reid, yeah, there will have to be some definite cutting. there is room here for both sides to work, but you can't sit down and straight up say something isnt going to happen....neither side seriously wasnts the U.S. to default, they may play chicken right up to hours before the deadline, but i suspect a deal will get done... i don't think it will be anywhere near the what was it 2 trill? that boehner was looking for....

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    Re: Reid rejects Boehner proposal for $2 trillion in spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Reid has no leg to stand on. He has not cut any spending in the last 2 years
    and how much did republicans cut lately? the problem is both sides.

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