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'Die Welt': Iran building rocket bases in Venezuela

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I have no idea what we can do to put a stop to this other than arrange a massive accident that would reduce the sited to rubble.

However we are stretched thin in the money and troops.

What can we do with Iran working full tilt on Nuclear Booms and Medium range missiles can surely hot us.

We can't just sit around when they have said they are going to get us.

'Die Welt': Iran building rocket bases in Venezuela
German paper says Iranians paid cash to build mid-range missile launch pads on Paraguana Peninsula; Iranian engineers visited site in Feb.

BERLIN – The Iranian government is moving forward with the construction of rocket launch bases in Venezuela, the German daily Die Welt wrote in its Friday edition.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez is Teheran’s most important South American ally.
Iran is building intermediate- range missile launch pads on the Paraguaná Peninsula, and engineers from a construction firm – Khatam al-Anbia – owned by the Revolutionary Guards visited Paraguaná in February. Amir al-Hadschisadeh, the head of the Guard’s Air Force, participated in the visit, according to the report. Die Welt cited information from “Western security insiders.”
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Well i really dont think they will use it...
I think we should do nothing and just push for restrictions in the UN and let the art of diplomacy flow...
 
Is this article for real? Is there a more mainstream source that could confirm it?
 
Chavez is not going to shoot missiles at the U.S. He is not a fanatic and knows full well he is a dead man the moment he goes down that road. He intends to use the missiles as a propaganda point for his anti U.S. rhetoric. While the situation is somewhat problematic, it isn't a dire threat.
 
The situation is problematic because Venezuela could become another Cuba, which is a clearly stated goal of Chavez.
 
1: destroy said rocket bases.

2: pressure venas swayla into a cuba missile crisis agreement.

Either way, the US cannot accept such a threat so close to it's shores. From a useless country or not.
 
A single B2 could probably take care of that facility.
 
Thats a tricky one, how do we destroy a bunch of rocket bases which don't exist in the first place??? Hmmm, well since they aren't actually there I don't think traditional military or diplomatic efforts will accomplish anything. Maybe we should look at the source of the problem and attack it there? Lets see it looks like a whole lot of ignorant paranoia and chest thumbing are the source. Wow thats even more tricky... Maybe it would be easier to conjure some rocket bases out of thin air then blow them up?
 
I know where there are some rocket bases we could blow up. As you suggest, "the source of the problem".

Funny you should mention conjuring rockets.
 
This screams of propoganda being deciminated to me. The middle of the story has a link to their collection of information on the "Iranian Threat" which in and of itself makes me question it. Furthermore, it seems either JPost is amazingly lucky to find this information first or that no other legitimate news station outside of the borders of Israel finds it valid enough to pick up. Things like News Max and Above Top Secret are the only other things picking it up.

JPost is a legitimate source, but when its not being echoed by anything else legitimate...and given JPosts obvious views towards Iran based on their banned link...it makes me think this looks more like propoganda being pushed out over the wires in Israel than any kind of legitimate news story. Perhaps I'll get worried about the notion if it gain enough traction to suggset that it has some actual validity towards it. As it stands, getting worried about this story would be like getting worried that winter is coming and horrible ice creatures are going to flood down into the US from Canada and kill us all.
 
The use of stealth choppers, violating a country's sovereignty, provoking or calling out dictators to step down or else be killed/assassinated are not helping ease the tensions. On the contrary, it will accelerate the output of their (rebel states) means of nuclear production.

The US has gone down (and still is) a path in which the use of force has become a chronic feature of U.S. foreign policy. This practice must stop
 
Zyphlin said:
This screams of propoganda being deciminated to me. The middle of the story has a link to their collection of information on the "Iranian Threat" which in and of itself makes me question it. Furthermore, it seems either JPost is amazingly lucky to find this information first or that no other legitimate news station outside of the borders of Israel finds it valid enough to pick up. Things like News Max and Above Top Secret are the only other things picking it up.

JPost is a legitimate source, but when its not being echoed by anything else legitimate...and given JPosts obvious views towards Iran based on their banned link...it makes me think this looks more like propoganda being pushed out over the wires in Israel than any kind of legitimate news story. Perhaps I'll get worried about the notion if it gain enough traction to suggset that it has some actual validity towards it. As it stands, getting worried about this story would be like getting worried that winter is coming and horrible ice creatures are going to flood down into the US from Canada and kill us all.
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the source as stated is Die Welt, 5/13.
http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/...ketenbasis-in-Venezuela-in-Planungsphase.html

Others are Slowly picking it up.
http://www.google.com/search?source...c.r_pw.&fp=fb5bbcd66868c58a&biw=1920&bih=1067

die welt missiles - Google Search
 
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So....

Daily caller, Hertiage.org, Assoc. Content, hot air blog, free republic....

So far I can find the closest to a legitimate news agency reporting this outside of JPost is an opinion article on Fox News, an opinion article on the Miami Herald, and a link back from the community blogs section of the washington times to "israel times".

From what I can find from the translated version of Die Welt is that the source for Die Welt's story seems to be...Die Welt online o_O

I stand by my previous comment. Perhaps if a few legitimate news organizations, and at least one that isn't obviously a significantly conservative or israeli leaning source, actually start picking this up and verifying it than I may begin to believe the validity of this. As it stands, nothing you provided was anything different than I already saw....a bunch of right-wing blogs echoing the same story without any other major source verifying it.

Yeah, not a good thing if it turns out to be true...but I'm not going to get my feathers ruffled or my blood boiling before there's any kind of believable evidence out there that its likely to be true.
 
But you were blaming the "amazingly lucky" Jpost.
Welt may have it wrong-- but I wouldn't blame Jpost for picking up what is clearly of interest to it's readers/Israelis.
 
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Why yes, a WSJ opinion piece from the son of jewish immigrants from Germany suggesting that we not dismiss something negative about Iran.

Well color me shocked. I would've expected him to go "Completely dismiss any notion of Iran possibly threatening the west".

It wouldn't shock me in the least if the story turns out to be true, nor would I suggest people that have the ability to honestly invistage this simply dismiss it. What I am saying is I'm not going to treat it like trut, or get up in arms about it, or have a big discussion about it until there's actual some legitimate seeming validity to the story. Of which, in my opinion, there isn't yet.

You're right, my initial notion that it was found out by the JPost was incorrect, it seems from the best I can translate (and adimttedly taht's poor) Die Welt found it out from...Die Welt? And JPost, supposedly a legitimate news source, was the only legitimate news source to seemingly jump on it as news because it apparently went wonderful with their journalistically sound cataloging of the "Iranian Threat" that they broadcast with a banner right through the middle of the story.
 
Councilman said:
I have no idea what we can do to put a stop to this other than arrange a massive accident that would reduce the sited to rubble.
We can't just sit around when they have said they are going to get us.
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Don't be such a worry wort. It took Iran 6 years to develop enough power to run a nuclear power plant, and as everybody with a brain knows, it takes ten times more operating centrifuges to make it weapons grade.

ricksfolly
 
ric27 said:
The US has gone down (and still is) a path in which the use of force has become a chronic feature of U.S. foreign policy. This practice must stop
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You or I not being privy to top secret foreign policy, can't possibly know what is going on. All we can do is make uneducated guesses and hope for the best...

Our power to make things happen stops at the ends of our finger tips.

ricksfolly
 
Tehran is also heavily involved in Nicaragua, which is common knowledge there but seldom mentioned elsewhere. I did find this though.

Iran, Nicaragua deepen links despite U.S. concerns | Reuters

Venezuela is also closely involved there.

Venezuela to help Nicaragua after U.S. rebuff - CNN.com

Ortega, despite his public claims to the contrary prior to the last election there, is no friend of the United States. The Nicaraguan people are quite concerned about this evolving situation, and the American government should be as well.
 
I don't see Chavez as a threat on his own but Iran has had "Radicals" at the helm since their revolution, and they are seeking their own Armageddon, so we can never be complacent.


As is almost always the case the people of other Nations are no threat to us and if they do claim to hate us it's because of propaganda or missteps by ignorant leaders, like Obama going on an apology tour of the world.
 
ric27 said:
The use of stealth choppers, violating a country's sovereignty, provoking or calling out dictators to step down or else be killed/assassinated are not helping ease the tensions. On the contrary, it will accelerate the output of their (rebel states) means of nuclear production.

The US has gone down (and still is) a path in which the use of force has become a chronic feature of U.S. foreign policy. This practice must stop
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We got bin Laden with those stealth choppers. That works for me, and if attacked again, we should do this again, only faster, and make damn sure that terrorist assholes know that there will be consequences for their actions.
 
ricksfolly said:
You or I not being privy to top secret foreign policy, can't possibly know what is going on. All we can do is make uneducated guesses and hope for the best...

Our power to make things happen stops at the ends of our finger tips.

ricksfolly
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I am libertarian at heart. Do the hell what you want so long as exercising your rights and freedoms doesn't infringe on someone else's rights and freedoms. That applies to individuals and nations. If we believe in individual freedom, other nations have the right to decide what form of government they want.

As a consequence, we can't easily do what is in our best interest. We would be better served if we stopped trying to police the world.

If a country is against us, they may not be on our friend list, but at least they aren't on our enemy ledger. Competition is ok. Trying to beat us at a trade deal is not the work of an enemy. It's just competition and keeps us on our toes. Killing Americans and blowing up our precious stuff is different. Helping those who kill us is different. Now you're interfering with our rights and freedoms and in self defense, those governments, or nations if necessary, should be stomped.

If these countries prefer a dictator like Gadaffi, Chavez, king, emir or a dumbass like Obama, then go for it. Just don't **** with our people or suffer the consequences. If that means supporting a lesbian dictator who leaves our people alone, then I don't have a problem with it if the alternative is an anti-American government.

Live and let die
 
ric27 said:
I am libertarian at heart. Do the hell what you want so long as exercising your rights and freedoms doesn't infringe on someone else's rights and freedoms. That applies to individuals and nations. If we believe in individual freedom, other nations have the right to decide what form of government they want.

As a consequence, we can't easily do what is in our best interest. We would be better served if we stopped trying to police the world.

If a country is against us, they may not be on our friend list, but at least they aren't on our enemy ledger. Competition is ok. Trying to beat us at a trade deal is not the work of an enemy. It's just competition and keeps us on our toes. Killing Americans and blowing up our precious stuff is different. Helping those who kill us is different. Now you're interfering with our rights and freedoms and in self defense, those governments, or nations if necessary, should be stomped.

If these countries prefer a dictator like Gadaffi, Chavez, king, emir or a dumbass like Obama, then go for it. Just don't **** with our people or suffer the consequences. If that means supporting a lesbian dictator who leaves our people alone, then I don't have a problem with it if the alternative is an anti-American government.

Live and let die
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There will certainly be more anti American governments following the purges in the Middle East, and anti Israeli as well. This has the markings of the revolution in Iran when the western media turned on the Shah, just as they did on Mubarak, but the consequences turned disastrous for everyone except militant Muslims.

And while no one cared for Gadaffi, we should wait until we see who his replacement might be before the celebrations begin. We could be replacing the devil we know with one we don't.
 
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