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    Re: As Debt Limit Reached, Agreement Still Far Off .

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    hopefully the landscape will look a lot like the 90's......

    I can agree that the 90s were a particular boom time. But, how do you see this taking place today. What I mean is that if all we are going to do is attack the "rich" who ever they are, and Corporations raising the cost to them to be a part of this country, then how do we get back to prosperity? Can you articulate please?


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    Re: As Debt Limit Reached, Agreement Still Far Off .

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Great post.

    What is interesting is how even the day to day GOP posturing ripples through the market. This effects all of us.

    The GOP plays games and postures for their base, meanwhile, portfolios, retirement funds, and POWERFUL hedge funds, take a hit.

    I think we need more hearings like the one with the Oil Companies. All Fed Tax Subsidies to Fortune 500's need to be examined. What are we, the tax payer, getting in return for our investment? If a company getting subsidies or some other type of tax incentives is not producing 1) Jobs, 2)New technology, 3)Better goods / services at a lower price... Then what is the point?

    A real Tea Party - not the corporate funded joke that it has become - but a REAL TEA PARTY would demand to have all corporate welfare examined in terms of what are we getting in return.
    It is foolish to give corporations any money, as the government has done with banks and automakers, but treat them too harshly and they'll move elsewhere. and other countries would welcome many of these corporations with open arms. Many Americans are already complaining about jobs moving overseas. Hit American companies at home and more of them will be moving to friendlier climes.

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    Re: As Debt Limit Reached, Agreement Still Far Off .

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I can agree that the 90s were a particular boom time. But, how do you see this taking place today. What I mean is that if all we are going to do is attack the "rich" who ever they are, and Corporations raising the cost to them to be a part of this country, then how do we get back to prosperity? Can you articulate please?


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    i'm for a balanced approach, and that does include cuts to entitlement programs, along with a tax hike on those making over 150k, or hell, even 100k. we need to provide incentives for companies to create new jobs (maybe green energy?), and find ways to discourage outsourcing. perhaps raising taxes on those corporations who employ a significant number abroad. institute tariffs on imports.

    bring back inheritance tax, it really affects very few people. up the cap on social security earnings. eliminate fraud and waste....(ha...ha). most of all, get the **** out of afghanistan and iraq......and cut our aid to other countries.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: As Debt Limit Reached, Agreement Still Far Off .

    When is a 'debt limit' not a debt limit? When you can change it because you dont want to have to live within a debt limit.

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    Re: As Debt Limit Reached, Agreement Still Far Off .

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post

    A real Tea Party - not the corporate funded joke that it has become - but a REAL TEA PARTY would demand to have all corporate welfare examined in terms of what are we getting in return.


    Show me tea party members in favor of coporate welfare.

    show me which companies are funding the tea party.
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    Re: As Debt Limit Reached, Agreement Still Far Off .

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Show me tea party members in favor of coporate welfare.

    show me which companies are funding the tea party.
    lol.....koch brothers.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: As Debt Limit Reached, Agreement Still Far Off .

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    lol.....koch brothers.


    Lol.... what company are they representing, and who are they giving money to?
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    Re: As Debt Limit Reached, Agreement Still Far Off .

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It is foolish to give corporations any money, as the government has done with banks and automakers, but treat them too harshly and they'll move elsewhere. and other countries would welcome many of these corporations with open arms. Many Americans are already complaining about jobs moving overseas. Hit American companies at home and more of them will be moving to friendlier climes.
    I have no problem with tax credits and other subsidies to corporations that deliver some new product/service that vastly improves the U.S. economy - directly/indirectly.

    e.g. Verizon Wireless advance cell infrastructure. Over the last decade my cell phone bill has gone down relative to the amount of cell related products and services I am able to receive.

    Re: Moving Elsewhere - when NAFTA kicked in and GM moved plants to Mexico, did we get better cars at a better price? No. But when Toyota built plants assembly plants in Alabama, we got JOBS and better cars at a better price.

    The reduced cost in satellite telecommunications have resulted in the outsourcing of call centers. We lose jobs, but prices go down as companies lower their overhead. A trade off.

    Jobs only move overseas when their is a benefit to the company. Cheap labor, etc.

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    Re: As Debt Limit Reached, Agreement Still Far Off .

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Show me tea party members in favor of coporate welfare.
    Re-read my post. I never claimed the TP was 'in favor' of corporate welfare. I state that if they were really sincere about Gov accountability and spending practices they would focus on the really BIG welfare recipients.

    show me which companies are funding the tea party.
    That's like saying: Prove to me the sun sets in the west.

    Tea Party - SourceWatch

    Astroturfing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Billionaire Koch Brothers’ War Against Obama : The New Yorker

    Tea Party Funding Koch Brothers Emerge From Anonymity - Peter Fenn (usnews.com)

    I saved the best for last:

    Koch Industries: We Don't Fund Tea Parties (Except For The Tea Parties We Fund)

    Another of Koch's beneficiaries is Americans for Prosperity, which was founded in part by the company's Executive Vice President, David Koch. He is currently the chairman of the board of the Americans for Prosperity Foundation.

    AFP, based in Washington, has been a key organizer of many tea party events, including Tax Day Tea Party rallies in at least nine states today. (Indeed, we last encountered AFP when a man holding an "I Am AFP!" sign at an Ohio tea party protest berated a pro-health reform rallier who is disabled by Parkinson's.)

    AFP's North Carolina branch has a Web site called www.nctaxdayteaparty.com that encourages supporters to "contact Americans for Prosperity-NC with questions about throwing a Tea Party in your town! We are here to help you have a great success!"

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    Re: As Debt Limit Reached, Agreement Still Far Off .

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Re-read my post. I never claimed the TP was 'in favor' of corporate welfare. I state that if they were really sincere about Gov accountability and spending practices they would focus on the really BIG welfare recipients.

    So you want them to ignore other government spending and concentrate on coporate welfare? Really? FAIL







    Why no media matters link? oh wait, sourcwatch links the fools at media matters. double FAIL!
    Last edited by ReverendHellh0und; 05-17-11 at 01:57 PM.
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