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    Re: As Debt Limit Reached, Agreement Still Far Off .

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Not quite...but close.

    I know it looks like a rant, but it was just a return rant.

    This is both party's fault and both parties have to fix it.
    check your math. It is both sides that have put us in this situation, however the size of the problem has exploded under this admisistration. To not acknowledge this is to close your eyes to the truth.

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    Re: As Debt Limit Reached, Agreement Still Far Off .

    also, one side has offered solutions, ryan and hr1

    you may demonize, you may demagogue, but at least the house has MOVED

    the party in power, meanwhile, has presented SQUAT

    it's two years since the united states senate has fulfilled its fundamental responsibilities by producing a budget

    in critical times like ours

    leadership, anyone?

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    Re: As Debt Limit Reached, Agreement Still Far Off .

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    If you'd looked at my follow-up post, you'd see what I was doing. It was only in response to someone else saying it's all Democrats' fault.

    The fault for this mess is shared. As should the burdens for the necessary fixes.
    I took it in sequence and saw your subsequent post too late.

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    Re: As Debt Limit Reached, Agreement Still Far Off .

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    also, one side has offered solutions, ryan and hr1

    you may demonize, you may demagogue, but at least the house has MOVED

    the party in power, meanwhile, has presented SQUAT

    it's two years since the united states senate has fulfilled its fundamental responsibilities by producing a budget

    in critical times like ours

    leadership, anyone?
    Do you not read?

    Obama Unveils Deficit Plan - WSJ.com
    Chart: What Obama's Deficit Reduction Plan Looks Like - Derek Thompson - Business - The Atlantic

    That's just a couple of the 1.8 million articles that come up when you type in "Obama deficit reduction plan".

    April 14 was possibly the busiest day of my life, and I even knew that he proposed his plan then.

    You may not like it, but to say there's no alternate proposal to Ryan's is counter-factual.

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    Re: As Debt Limit Reached, Agreement Still Far Off .

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    he size of the problem has exploded under this admisistration. To not acknowledge this is to close your eyes to the truth.
    And you know all of this how? Partisan politics are not fact, more like fantasy...

    ricksfolly

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    Re: As Debt Limit Reached, Agreement Still Far Off .

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    And you know all of this how? Partisan politics are not fact, more like fantasy...

    ricksfolly
    The debt has increased by $4 trillion in 2.5 years. That's the entire increase we saw under 8 years of Bush.
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    Re: As Debt Limit Reached, Agreement Still Far Off .

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    And you know all of this how? Partisan politics are not fact, more like fantasy...

    ricksfolly
    are you serious? this has nothing to do politics, just math. Sorry if you have a problem looking at facts but not surprised.

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    Re: As Debt Limit Reached, Agreement Still Far Off .

    april 14 was A SPEECH

    where is it today---a PLANK in a campaign platform

    meanwhile, ON PAPER, today:

    Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) says he has no immediate plans to mark up a budget, as members of his committee continue to disagree over spending cuts and tax increases.

    Conrad said he has additional meetings scheduled with his colleagues Tuesday afternoon and will make an announcement in the coming days on a possible markup.

    Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) cast doubt on whether Conrad's effort will succeed.

    "I don't know there is going to be a Conrad budget," Baucus said.

    Conrad said there are many issues that need to be resolved in the broad document that covers discretionary entitlement spending levels and tax policy.

    Democrats on the Budget panel have clashed over the balance of spending cuts to tax increases. Conrad increased the proportion of tax increases to spending cuts after liberal members of his panel, including Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), criticized his initial draft.

    Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.), a centrist on the panel facing reelection next year, has raised concerns about advancing a budget plan with as much as $2 trillion in tax increases over the next 10 years.
    Senate Dems' budget in limbo - The Hill's On The Money

    conrad is reid's budget chair, the senate equivalent of ryan

    baucus chairs finance

    when barack the slasher actually HAS something he'll produce A DOCUMENT

    there's a reason HE can't, CONRAD can't

    it's been two years since the party in power in the us senate has produced A BUDGET

    in times like these

    and it doesn't look like 2012 will see one either

    meanwhile, the house has PASSED hr1 and ryan, both of which harry sits on

    if something isn't done now to fundamentally restructure our budget then our big 3 federal social programs (and state and federal pensions too) will simply not be there in their current forms for the next generation

    leadership, anyone?

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    Re: As Debt Limit Reached, Agreement Still Far Off .

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    This is not the time for political ideologues and a "my way or the highway" approach. The economic health of the United States of America is at stake here, and while the US scrambles in a battle to avoid default on the debt, a battle which is uncertain, I consider whoever fiddles while our economy burns to be traitors.

    Right now, this has turned into a battle between Wall Street and the crazies who have hijacked the Republican Party. The way I see it, if Republicans want to destroy their own party, they are on the right track to do it. But destroying America's economy, because they are not getting what they want at this time, is a morally reprehensible act, which will have dire consequences. Time to be responsible. If you (and I am talking to the jihad wing of the GOP here) want to act like babies and brats, you should do it on your own dime, and not that of your country. Just agree to raise the debt limit, and then feel free to engage in your ideological war later, during the 2012 election campaign. This is neither the time nor the place for it.

    Article is here.
    I hope the Republicans win and the US defaults. It would be great for my investments.

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    Re: As Debt Limit Reached, Agreement Still Far Off .

    the deficit for february alone was greater than sum borrowing under w-stands-for-what's-his-name in all of 2007

    U.S. sets $223B deficit record - Washington Times

    Deficit for Fiscal 2007 Slides - Real Time Economics - WSJ

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