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    Re: Huckabee Opts Against 2012 White House Bid

    involvement in their lives? it interferes with their lives not at all. they are free to live, love, and grow old together - to get all manner of legal agreements that match perfectly the "priviledges" of marriage with the one exception that they don't get hit with a tax penalty. They are free to have ceremonies, tell people that they are married... in no way whatsoever is their action or their speech hampered. the only thing that is limited is the actions of the government official - who is tied to the will of the state populace.

    but no. no no no no no. take this down to the sexuality forum where all they talk about endlessly is this One Stupid Debate. If you want to talk about whether the Federal government should be imposing a definition on the States, then that is a Big/Small Government debate and I'm fine with it. But if you want to pick up that endless go-round of any government choosing to define marriage in a way that you don't agree with, then get thee to the forum where it belongs.
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    Re: Huckabee Opts Against 2012 White House Bid

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    involvement in their lives? it interferes with their lives not at all. they are free to live, love, and grow old together - to get all manner of legal agreements that match perfectly the "priviledges" of marriage with the one exception that they don't get hit with a tax penalty. They are free to have ceremonies, tell people that they are married... in no way whatsoever is their action or their speech hampered. the only thing that is limited is the actions of the government official - who is tied to the will of the state populace.

    but no. no no no no no. take this down to the sexuality forum where all they talk about endlessly is this One Stupid Debate. If you want to talk about whether the Federal government should be imposing a definition on the States, then that is a Big/Small Government debate and I'm fine with it. But if you want to pick up that endless go-round of any government choosing to define marriage in a way that you don't agree with, then get thee to the forum where it belongs.
    A special privilege is a special privilege. I personally would be OK with either the federal government getting rid of the marriage tax break, or recognize civil unions/common law marriages which would count homosexual couples.

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    Re: Huckabee Opts Against 2012 White House Bid

    then you are simply insisting that for smaller government to be smaller government at all, it must also provide you with this particular addition. that seems a bit extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    then you are simply insisting that for smaller government to be smaller government at all, it must also provide you with this particular addition. that seems a bit extreme.
    No, its called equal application of the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    The overlap is a false one. You can't be for small government and at the same time support banning of gay marriage.
    Conservatism is not a monolithic political philosophy, but the broad principles - smaller, less intrusive government, emphasis on personal responsibility, adherence to existing constitutional principles - are things all conservatives will agree on. Not all conservatives will have a conservative take on every single issue

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    thaaaaaaaat's a little spooky.
    Yep, and I accidently left the last one off.
    Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional
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    Re: Huckabee Opts Against 2012 White House Bid

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Probably Santorum....
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    Re: Huckabee Opts Against 2012 White House Bid

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I expect the majority of people running for presidente of the US of A is going to be a bit narcissistic


    Or delusional, but as Obama won the election lets go with narcissistic.

    You dont stand up in front of hundreds of millions of people and proclaim I want to be your leader if you think you are not better then the nearly everybody. Considering it is one of the most difficult jobs to get in the world.
    To be president you don't need to think you are better than everybody else. It could be you are just confident in your ability to do a better job for your country than anyone else running. I want someone confident, not arrogant, for a leader.
    I don't think you need to be an arrogant ass and think you're all that, to be president. In fact I think that's a hindrance. Obama thinks he is so special he deserves to have has much leisure time as he wants and acts like being president is just burden. He like all the perks, like Air Force One and all the entertaining in the White House. I don't know how he ever found the time to do something right. I'll give him some credit for helping get Bin Laden. Of course, if he wasn't such a narcissist, he wouldn't have taken any of the credit.
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    Re: Huckabee Opts Against 2012 White House Bid

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I think you should ask some strangers if they've ever heard of Herman Cain. I would bet that somewhere between 80-90% of the voting public have never heard of him at this point.
    You're right. That's why it's good he got in early. The majority of people who hear him, like what they hear. That's why his numbers are going up ever so slowly. He's been traveling around a lot and giving speechs, but not to huge crowds. He needs to get some serious air time, but it seems as long as his numbers are low, he'll be ignored. Although, he is going to be on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace, next week. That should be a good interview. Wallace is tough, and won't throw him softballs. Hopefully, that will give him a bump.
    He won me over in 2009 with one speech. Then the more I learned, the more I liked.
    He can beat Obama.
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    Re: Huckabee Opts Against 2012 White House Bid

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Okay, I held off as long as I could.

    It would appear that you believe that the President suffers from a mental illness. Correct?
    I do, and always have. No one can be that arrogant and not have a mental illness of some kind.
    I bolded everything that screams Obama! to me.

    Narcissistic personality disorder: Symptoms - MayoClinic.com

    Although some features of narcissistic personality disorder may seem like having confidence or strong self-esteem, it's not the same. Narcissistic personality disorder crosses the border of healthy confidence and self-esteem into thinking so highly of yourself that you put yourself on a pedestal. In contrast, people who have healthy confidence and self-esteem don't value themselves more than they value others. When you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious. You often monopolize conversations. You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior. You may have a sense of entitlement. And when you don't receive the special treatment to which you feel entitled, you may become very impatient or angry. You may insist on having "the best" of everything the best car, athletic club, medical care or social circles, for instance. But underneath all this behavior often lies a fragile self-esteem. You have trouble handling anything that may be perceived as criticism. You may have a sense of secret shame and humiliation. And in order to make yourself feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and efforts to belittle the other person to make yourself appear better.
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