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    Re: With Gas Prices Soaring, Obama Looks to Ramp Up U.S. Oil Production

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Electric cars? Are you kidding me? The technology is not anywhere near advanced enough to overtake the combustion engine, and be cost effective. Infrastructures are lacking. Power is still generated by predominately fossil fuel, ie coal. And they are small, Spartan, and unapealing.

    This country, Hell, the world is a petrol based economy. No one wants your expensive, ugly, environmentally damaging so called alternative. If they did they would have sold more than 10,000 units last year.

    You can't force people to do what you want them to in a free society. While we are still one that is.

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    You are wrong on every count. Electric cars can reach highway speeds without difficulty, they're no smaller than regular sedans, and they're only slightly more expensive, usually around 25k. They can be charged out of a regular wall socket, although it'll probably take all night. And the technology will improve rapidly once people actually start putting some research into it. And the reason only 10,000 were sold last year is because they were only introduced late last year.

    And jesus christ, why do you immediately jump to "OMG HE'S GOING TO FORCE US TO CONVERT TO HIS EVAL SOCIALIST WAYZ!!!111oneone"? I'm suggesting that electric cars would make a much better solution to our current problem than more drilling. Maybe some of those subsidies the government loves to give the oil companies would come in handy here.
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    Re: With Gas Prices Soaring, Obama Looks to Ramp Up U.S. Oil Production

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    You failed to respond to any of my points, and instead spat a few red herrings as a means to cover and run. If you want to talk about your experience, or how much you hate Obama, start a different thread. So far you have failed to provide a single shred of substance to substantiate your position.

    Telling me that i am wrong because i don't know i'm wrong does not cut it!
    It seems to me I addressed your wrong thinking by pointing out right thinking. Why do you think I "hate" the one term president Obama?

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    Re: With Gas Prices Soaring, Obama Looks to Ramp Up U.S. Oil Production

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    The answer is not drilling more wells. The answer is electric cars. They're quieter, more efficient, eventually cheaper, and they eliminate all worries about oil supplies.
    You like coal-powered cars? Fine. Do you agree with the one term president Obama's desire to put the coal companies out of business? If so where will your coal-powered car gets it energy from?

    You say they will eventually be cheaper. How much time do you think it will take for them to be cheaper?
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    Re: With Gas Prices Soaring, Obama Looks to Ramp Up U.S. Oil Production

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You like coal-powered cars? Fine. Do you agree with the one term president Obama's desire to put the coal companies out of business? If so where will your coal-powered car gets it energy from?

    You say they will eventually be cheaper. How much time do you think it will take for them to be cheaper?
    We need more nuclear plants to replace coal and more research into better forms of nuclear. As for electric cars, give it four or five years. Technology improves quickly.
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    Re: With Gas Prices Soaring, Obama Looks to Ramp Up U.S. Oil Production

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    It seems to me I addressed your wrong thinking by pointing out right thinking. Why do you think I "hate" the one term president Obama?
    Nope! As usual, your position and therefore your argument lacks economic validity which is a shame given the topic. Address my comments or leave me alone, i am not here to argue on the basis of opinion and ideology.
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    Re: With Gas Prices Soaring, Obama Looks to Ramp Up U.S. Oil Production

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    You are wrong on every count. Electric cars can reach highway speeds without difficulty, they're no smaller than regular sedans, and they're only slightly more expensive, usually around 25k. They can be charged out of a regular wall socket, although it'll probably take all night. And the technology will improve rapidly once people actually start putting some research into it. And the reason only 10,000 were sold last year is because they were only introduced late last year.

    And jesus christ, why do you immediately jump to "OMG HE'S GOING TO FORCE US TO CONVERT TO HIS EVAL SOCIALIST WAYZ!!!111oneone"? I'm suggesting that electric cars would make a much better solution to our current problem than more drilling. Maybe some of those subsidies the government loves to give the oil companies would come in handy here.
    I don't believe I am wrong, but you are more than able to show me if you like, I am open to discuss. But the bottom line is that I don't think electric cars are the solution.

    For instance, I drive a truck for a living, what about them?

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    Re: With Gas Prices Soaring, Obama Looks to Ramp Up U.S. Oil Production

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't believe I am wrong, but you are more than able to show me if you like, I am open to discuss. But the bottom line is that I don't think electric cars are the solution.

    For instance, I drive a truck for a living, what about them?

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    Trucks should be replaced by high speed rail, IMO. You still need trucks for local distribution, but for interstate transport, rail works much better.
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    Re: With Gas Prices Soaring, Obama Looks to Ramp Up U.S. Oil Production

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    Trucks should be replaced by high speed rail, IMO. You still need trucks for local distribution, but for interstate transport, rail works much better.
    Well, you can think that if you like, and rail is used pretty much to capacity now in the current infrastructure that exists. However, if rail is ramped up further, and destroys more good jobs, what will you do with those truckers then?

    See, I am of the mindset that a switch to more Natural Gas type truck will be devoloped in the future.

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    Re: With Gas Prices Soaring, Obama Looks to Ramp Up U.S. Oil Production

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    We need more nuclear plants to replace coal and more research into better forms of nuclear. As for electric cars, give it four or five years. Technology improves quickly.
    Imagine that. Something we agree upon.

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