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    Re: Georgia governor signs controversial anti-illegal immigration law

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    Sometimes you got to take what you can get.
    True, and this is an improvement over nothing. But employers are the single biggest target that we need to focus on, next to actually securing the border itself.

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    Re: Georgia governor signs controversial anti-illegal immigration law

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    HB 87 also imposes prison sentences of up to one year and fines of up to $1,000 for people who knowingly transport illegal immigrants during the commission of a crime. It also asserts that workers convicted of using fake identification to get jobs could be sentenced to 15 years in prison and fined $250,000.
    I absolultey support Georgia in their decision to enact their own laws regarding residency, but to me, these two parts are completely ass-backwards.

    One year and $1,000 dollars for being a getaway driver during a crime or being a smuggler compared to 15 years and $250,000 for using a fake ID to get a job does nt make any sense. ERgardless of someone's position about illegal immigrants, being a smuggler or getaway driver is still a worse crime than using a fake ID to obtain work.

    But it is Georgia's decision, and i fully support their right to make these laws, even if I absolutley disagree with the law perosnally.

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    Re: Georgia governor signs controversial anti-illegal immigration law

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    I absolultey support Georgia in their decision to enact their own laws regarding residency, but to me, these two parts are completely ass-backwards.

    One year and $1,000 dollars for being a getaway driver during a crime or being a smuggler compared to 15 years and $250,000 for using a fake ID to get a job does nt make any sense. ERgardless of someone's position about illegal immigrants, being a smuggler or getaway driver is still a worse crime than using a fake ID to obtain work.

    But it is Georgia's decision, and i fully support their right to make these laws, even if I absolutley disagree with the law perosnally.
    you may have a point, that does seem to be a tad bass-ackwards...there needs to be a super strong fine/penalty for those who knowingly employ illegals as well, alot more than a slap on the wrist.

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    Re: Georgia governor signs controversial anti-illegal immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    you may have a point, that does seem to be a tad bass-ackwards...there needs to be a super strong fine/penalty for those who knowingly employ illegals as well, alot more than a slap on the wrist.
    Agreed. Even though I'm openly a "pro-illegal" type, I realize that the only way to really address the "problem" is to create legislation that takes the "demand" for illegal immigrants out of the equation.

    It's really an issue of supply and demand, when you get down to it. The supply of illegal immigrants is always going to be high. They are already willing to take huge risks to get here and find work, so adding another risk to the mix doesn't really do anything to curb illegal immigration.

    The issue is that the demand for illegal immigrant labor is also high because hiring illegal immigrants is incentivized by the profits of cheap labor coupled with the minimal risks associated with doing so.

    Adding a massive layer of risk to the venture could seriously curb the demand for such labor, and ultimately that would decrease the supply of illegal immigrants because the rewards they receive would no longer be worth the risks they are already taking.
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    Re: Georgia governor signs controversial anti-illegal immigration law

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    Georgia governor signs controversial anti-illegal immigration law - CNN.com

    Atlanta (CNN) -- Despite protests outside his office and boycott threats, Georgia's governor signed into law Friday one of the toughest anti-illegal immigration measures enacted by an individual state.

    The measure, which Gov. Nathan Deal inked about a month after it cleared the Republican-dominated Georgia Legislature, allows law enforcement officers to ask about immigration status when questioning suspects in certain criminal investigations.

    HB 87 also imposes prison sentences of up to one year and fines of up to $1,000 for people who knowingly transport illegal immigrants during the commission of a crime. It also asserts that workers convicted of using fake identification to get jobs could be sentenced to 15 years in prison and fined $250,000.

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    I don't think this will solve anything. More of a PR little stint.

    The truly way to fix the immigration problem is to make Mexico better. We need to take a hard, hard line with the Mexican government and the families...(I say families because almost all Latin countries are that way - controlled by a few families) and make them do more to help their own people and to accept our help with our conditions.

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    Re: Georgia governor signs controversial anti-illegal immigration law

    I agree that employers who knowingly hire illegals should face a stiff penalty. Problem nowadays though is many illegals have counterfeit social security cards. If US gov would do its main job which is to secure the borders this wouldn’t be an issue for employers and states to deal with.

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    Re: Georgia governor signs controversial anti-illegal immigration law

    Is it also 15 years for minors who use fake ID to get into clubs, buy cigarettes, or buy alcohol?
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    Re: Georgia governor signs controversial anti-illegal immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    15 years for wanting to work, why not execution for smoking pot?
    No, 15 years for falsifying government documents.
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    Re: Georgia governor signs controversial anti-illegal immigration law

    The sad thing is this isn't nearly as harsh as many other foreign countries immigration laws, but its definitely a start in this f**kin country!
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    Re: Georgia governor signs controversial anti-illegal immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    True, and this is an improvement over nothing. But employers are the single biggest target that we need to focus on, next to actually securing the border itself.
    I agree.So this should be the next step. By enacting these punishments against illegals it will make it easier to enact laws against the traitors who hire illegals.
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