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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Interesting topic.

    I can’t envision a scenario where the determination of what is or isn’t legal can be left to the home owner/occupant without some serious repercussions. However, I think issues like this could be more reasonably resolved if police immunity to prosecution was scaled back.

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Bull****.

    If a cop is abusing his authority in illegally forcing his way into your home, he has no legal protections and the homeowner has ever right to shoot his ass. The cop is, after all, armed with a gun.

    If the Mayor ever gets on a jury in which a citizen defended himself against a thug cop, the citizen won't be found guilty.
    That is so very wrong my friend. You don't determine if a cop is abusing his authority. That's not your job and you are not entitled to do that. You have absolutely no right to shoot his ass. If he identifies himself as a police officer, then you need to comply with his instructions. You are 100% allowed to ask for a badge, and even a photo ID. I actually had someone who wanted to call my field office to verify who I am. I sat in the house with the person I was bringing in while they went on google to find my field office phone number for herself and called in (most law enforcement won't do that unfortunately, in this case it was a nonviolent, paranoid POI) Stop with all the government thug bull. You have no right to shoot a cop or determine if what he's doing has probable cause/not probable cause.
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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Come into my home without notice and against my will you WILL be hurt. Badly.
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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Interesting topic.

    I can’t envision a scenario where the determination of what is or isn’t legal can be left to the home owner/occupant without some serious repercussions. However, I think issues like this could be more reasonably resolved if police immunity to prosecution was scaled back.
    I can't imagine a scenario without serious repercussions in which jackbooted thugs are allowed to break into a citizen's home while the citizen is forbidden to resist.

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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    I can't imagine a scenario without serious repercussions in which jackbooted thugs are allowed to break into a citizen's home while the citizen is forbidden to resist.
    I don’t see my local police as “jackbooted thugs” so it is a bit hard to relate to your compelling and scary scenario.

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    That is so very wrong my friend. You don't determine if a cop is abusing his authority.
    That is so not true.

    When I have a dickhead playing "lets cut the Mayor off and then go five miles an hour on a narrow road", who then flashes a ****ing badge at the Mayor when the Mayor finally gets the chance to pass the dickhead, that dickhead is abusing his authority. If, as the dickhead had claimed, that he could cut the Mayor off because he was on an urgent call, he needs to explain why he was going so god damned slow.

    Thugs with badges outnumber the men who take their police work seriously, and yes, guess what? The Mayor most certainly gets to use the Mayor's own mind to determine if the damn thug with badge is being a dickwad or not.

    That's not your job and you are not entitled to do that. You have absolutely no right to shoot his ass.
    Wrong.

    There's a reason the Second Amendment exists. It's to ensure the citizen has at his hands a ready defense against those who abuse their authority.

    If he identifies himself as a police officer, then you need to comply with his instructions.
    Then if he identifies himself as a cop, he needs to stop breaking the door down, show a freaking badge,....AND show the search warrant. Welcome to America. The Americans don't like it when the cops believe they're not subject to the law.

    You are 100% allowed to ask for a badge, and even a photo ID.
    When they're breaking down the door?

    "Excuse me Mr. Man, can you put down that battering ram for just one minute while you show the Mayor your badge?"

    That works?

    When?

    How'd that work for the Branch Davidians?



    You have no right to shoot a cop or determine if what he's doing has probable cause/not probable cause.
    If a stranger is breaking down the Mayor's door, he has no reason to presume his intentions are either good or lawful. End of story. That is what juries are for, and as the Mayor has stated, the abuse of power by the police is so rampant that the Mayor would NEVER vote to convict a man of the "crime" of defending his home against thuggish cops. That the citizens have guns and can use them to shoot miscreant cops is a significant defense of liberty.

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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I don’t see my local police as “jackbooted thugs” so it is a bit hard to relate to your compelling and scary scenario.
    You've admitted to being one of them, so needless to say, you're opinion is tainted.

    Ask anyone who's had their homes "served" with a warrant and the opinions are different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home



    Wow....what are we coming to.

    Papers please
    Godwin theory came quick in this thread... Now, let's not have any conspiracy theories about police abusing their power.

    That doesn't happen in America.

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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Godwin theory came quick in this thread... Now, let's not have any conspiracy theories about police abusing their power.

    That doesn't happen in America.
    You forgot your sarcasm tag.

    Cops abuse power all the damn time in this country. The situation was made worse with the "civil forfeiture" laws, wherein police agencies can directly profit from their crimes.

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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    You've admitted to being one of them, so needless to say, you're opinion is tainted.

    Ask anyone who's had their homes "served" with a warrant and the opinions are different.
    I assume you refer to me saying “my local police”?

    I have in fact had a warrant served on my home. I rented a room to a friend who did some coke with a cop’s daughter who was underage many years ago and it was a very humiliating experience. I had no idea my friend even did cocaine and they acted like it was me they were after at first so if I had followed the logic of some of the people in this thread, I could have fought back or shot a cop or two only to go to jail or the morgue.

    Rather than going to jail or leaving in a body bag, my roommate was arrested because they found coke in his room but I was treated with respect once they realized I was only renting a room to the douche bag. Glad I didn’t decide they had the wrong guy/house when they came rushing through the front and back doors of my home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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