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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    if you burst into my house waving a gun, then i haven't seen any badge, i have no idea who you are or what you are after, i have a wife and two little children to protect, and all i see is that you are a mortal threat.


    sorry to do it because many of my friends are cops, and i think we as a society don't allow them near enough chance to do their jobs effectively and protect themselves. but you can buy a shirt that reads "police" anywhere.


    If you have a warrant, surround the house, come up and knock, and present your identification and your warrant. I will probably seethe quietly, but I'll help you as much as I can to get you off my property and out of my house.

    But come in waving a weapon, and one of us is dead.
    This situation you're discussing rarely happens - usually, whne a cop is present at a scene of a disturbance, there's no reason to suspect he hit up the local costume mart and also bought a cop car while he was on his way out.
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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    If this is the case, it will be time to reactivate the militia's.
    indeed. this is one of those "choose whom ye shall serve" issues.

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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    This situation you're discussing rarely happens - usually, whne a cop is present at a scene of a disturbance, there's no reason to suspect he hit up the local costume mart and also bought a cop car while he was on his way out.
    if i see a cop car with lights pulling up that is one thing - but we are talking about a forced-entry here, not a slowly-developing situation where I as a homeowner have all of the information I need to make the best decision. The only information they have allowed me to have in that situation is that my family is under percieved mortal threat from large men waving guns and yelling at everyone to obey them.

    :sorry: but if you want to hit my house, it is incumbent upon you to make sure I know that you are there representing the state. otherwise I will react in a way that both you and I will later regret. because in an actual home invasion you have Very Little time to take back the initiative before you are tied up and watching your wife get raped. and I'm not giving you that time.

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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    I don't see how the alternative would be feasible. "Unlawful entry" is something that has to be decided by the courts, not a civilian on the spot. If you think the police are acting improperly you have to seek remedy through the courts, not by assaulting a police officer. I just don't see how it can work otherwise, every asshole who wants to resist arrest could just claim he thought the cops were acting unlawfully.
    When an officer doesn't have a warrant, I would think that would be a pretty obvious indicator.

    My question is, does this law prevent someone from simply locking the door and not permitting the officer inside?
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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    indeed. this is one of those "choose whom ye shall serve" issues.
    It is or it will be considering the current path we are traveling down, I just hope to God that this will never be required. I see far to many people so willing to give up their freedoms without a fight all in the name of security. To be free has it's inherited risks and with these risk our constitution allows us the tools to defend ourselves.

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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    if i see a cop car with lights pulling up that is one thing - but we are talking about a forced-entry here, not a slowly-developing situation where I as a homeowner have all of the information I need to make the best decision. The only information they have allowed me to have in that situation is that my family is under percieved mortal threat from large men waving guns and yelling at everyone to obey them.

    :sorry: but if you want to hit my house, it is incumbent upon you to make sure I know that you are there representing the state. otherwise I will react in a way that both you and I will later regret. because in an actual home invasion you have Very Little time to take back the initiative before you are tied up and watching your wife get raped. and I'm not giving you that time.
    Statisitically speaking - most 'entries' of this nature are a situation that develops and evolve - not just some idiot dude in a uniform randomly charging into people's homes for no reason at all.
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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Statisitically speaking - most 'entries' of this nature are a situation that develops and evolve - not just some idiot dude in a uniform randomly charging into people's homes for no reason at all.
    Most, but not all. Improper use of government force is abuse of our own power and sovereignty. The government must remember who the true sovereign is.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Most, but not all. Improper use of government force is abuse of our own power and sovereignty. The government must remember who the true sovereign is.
    I've never heard of a situatoin in which a person posed as an officer and forced their way into someone's home (this is his argument, there) - it's unrealistic and farfetched to center a hefty argument around such a bizarre and odd situation.

    Lets stay rooted in reality - things taht will actually happen if such things occur.

    What's wrong with someone taking acop to court? A cop who violates the law like that can face getting booted out of the force - at least.
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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I've never heard of a situatoin in which a person posed as an officer and forced their way into someone's home (this is his argument, there) - it's unrealistic and farfetched to center a hefty argument around such a bizarre and odd situation.
    It's happened a lot. When I was in high school there was some dudes going around with lights and everything, dressed as cops, pulling women over and they used it for rape.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Statisitically speaking - most 'entries' of this nature are a situation that develops and evolve - not just some idiot dude in a uniform randomly charging into people's homes for no reason at all.
    it's not "no reason at all" - it is a bad intention and one i have no intention of allowing him to meet. and really, i couldn't care less. come into my house and threaten me without properly identifying yourself and all i can do is take you at your word and respond accordingly.

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