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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Lack of a warrant does not mean that a police officer cannot legally enter your home. In many circumstances, cops can break down doors without warrants and be perfectly within the law.
    Then the police officer can document that he had a reasonable suspicion and what that reasonable suspicion is before kicking down the door. If a jury agrees that it actually was a reasonable suspicion then the homeowner can be charged with manslaughter.
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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Even if they are wrong, when you kill a cop they are given a hero's funeral and yours will follow shortly. If they are wrong, resisting will make them more wrong and more likely to get away with it.

    Fighting cops is a good way to die, but not until I'm ready.
    Where in did I say killing a cop? Jump far Viktyr? I'm talking about the Rights of you, the individual in general, and your on about cop killing.
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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Then the police officer can document that he had a reasonable suspicion and what that reasonable suspicion is before kicking down the door. If a jury agrees that it actually was a reasonable suspicion then the homeowner can be charged with manslaughter.
    That's ridiculous. You don't understand the law...or a copper's job.
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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    But in the moment, is the civilian the one who determines whether the search is reasonable or the police officer?
    No Warrant, No Entry.
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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No Warrant, No Entry.
    Wrong. You may wish it was that way, but it isn't.
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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    I don't see how the alternative would be feasible. "Unlawful entry" is something that has to be decided by the courts, not a civilian on the spot. If you think the police are acting improperly you have to seek remedy through the courts, not by assaulting a police officer. I just don't see how it can work otherwise, every asshole who wants to resist arrest could just claim he thought the cops were acting unlawfully.
    Someone comes flying through my front door they are dead meat. Looks like another home invasion robbery from my perspective. The Supreme Court will overturn this, as a violation of the 4th Amendment that requires probable cause to exist (evidence), and an order signed by the court to enter (warrant).
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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That's ridiculous. You don't understand the law...or a copper's job.
    What is ridiculous about it? A police officer should have to demonstrate that they have a legal right to trespass.
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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That's ridiculous. You don't understand the law...or a copper's job.
    Well Maggie, if you don't mind, explain the law and the police job in relation to entry without warrant. And it is not reasonable suspicion, it is probable cause with some evidence shown to the courts.
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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What is ridiculous about it? A police officer should have to demonstrate that they have a legal right to trespass.
    For some reason I was unable to give you a "like" on your statement. I can see everybody elses, like/share, but not yours. ??


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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by shintao View Post
    For some reason I was unable to give you a "like" on your statement. I can see everybody elses, like/share, but not yours. ??
    We are prohibited by DebatePolitics law from liking him. The reasons go way back, but they are good ones.
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