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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    ... Yet you didn't.

    I showed there are other factors that could be taken into consideration when thinking of persons imprisoned when compared to another nation.
    You continued on your viewpoint that the only factor considered is freedom of people to do what they want... and apparently regardless of whether that makes a victim of someone else or not.
    Except your viewpoint runs contrary to what the Constitution of the United States actually says. Hence the reason why I discount it combined with the fact that you're part of the government. Of course, you're going to espouse your view because it gives you great power at the expense of the liberty of the people. If you can counter my statement about there are more things illegal and the direct correlation with prison populations combined with diminished liberty I'm all for you to bring it forth, except you haven't done any such thing. You opined that I was wrong in my thinking. An opinion is not fact and cannot be used to counter the facts I presented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Cops never do anything wrong. They're here for your protection. Move along.
    This was sarcasm, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I vaguely remember this case now.

    What I find interesting is that nobody is bothering to ask the question......Why? Why go through the trouble of lying about information to obtain a warrant to search a home to find some drugs to make an arrest.
    No arrest is worth all that....So, why?

    Also, this is an obvious example of why "the drug war" is such a waste of time and resources, an example from the local level if you will.
    Why? Because they can. I do have a respect for respectable cops, but a surprising number are little better than gangsters with the legitimacy of government.

    The drug war might as well be called the war on competing drug cartels.

    This is also a symptom of not rebuking the patriot act.

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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Except your viewpoint runs contrary to what the Constitution of the United States actually says. Hence the reason why I discount it combined with the fact that you're part of the government. Of course, you're going to espouse your view because it gives you great power at the expense of the liberty of the people. If you can counter my statement about there are more things illegal and the direct correlation with prison populations combined with diminished liberty I'm all for you to bring it forth, except you haven't done any such thing. You opined that I was wrong in my thinking. An opinion is not fact and cannot be used to counter the facts I presented.
    You presented no facts. You presented what is equivalent to, "Wahh Wahh We have more people in prison than China and we are supposed to care about competition for lower persons imprisoned so we need to make more stuff legal and allow more people to commit crimes against others all in the name of reducing the number of people in prison wahh wahh."
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Why? Because they can. I do have a respect for respectable cops, but a surprising number are little better than gangsters with the legitimacy of government.

    The drug war might as well be called the war on competing drug cartels.

    This is also a symptom of not rebuking the patriot act.
    "Because they can" is the most ignorant response.
    There is a reason why these officers would go so far to do all this, and it is a hell of alot more complex than "Because we can".
    It is an individual reason, not a "blanket" reason like you just used. There is something specific to this situation that caused these guys to act like this...... just, I can't seem to find that information anywhere because nobody gives a rats ass apparently.
    People like to blame a group of individuals personal reasons for becoming corrupt on the entirety maybe? Why find out the reasoning behind it if it takes away from our ability to call all law enforcement "crooked ass pigggzzz"
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home



    Wow....what are we coming to.

    Papers please
    If someone kicks down my door, I am automatically going to assume he is a home invader, and I will shoot him graveyard dead. If he turns out to have been a cop, then he should have announced himself by knocking on my door, and yelling "police".
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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    You presented no facts. You presented what is equivalent to, "Wahh Wahh We have more people in prison than China and we are supposed to care about competition for lower persons imprisoned so we need to make more stuff legal and allow more people to commit crimes against others all in the name of reducing the number of people in prison wahh wahh."
    It's pretty easy for you to forget these facts I presented. The why it was easy was because you ignored them.

    It's really funny, yet sad at the same time, that Amnesty International that the United States has far more people imprisoned, a supposedly free county, then communist China, a totalitarian regime.

    This is a fact since the United States is number one in the world for the most people incarcerated. Got anything to dispute that?

    The more people in prison is a result from more legislation making things illegal.

    Do you realize that there are over 13,000 things that are illegal just under federal law alone?

    More facts for you. Let me know when you have something that can possibly dispute my facts besides your Thin Blue Whine about defending police and government abuse of power.
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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    If someone kicks down my door, I am automatically going to assume he is a home invader, and I will shoot him graveyard dead. If he turns out to have been a cop, then he should have announced himself by knocking on my door, and yelling "police".
    This. You want to come busting into my place without warning, you can take your lumps like a common criminal.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    This. You want to come busting into my place without warning, you can take your lumps like a common criminal.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    If someone kicks down my door, I am automatically going to assume he is a home invader, and I will shoot him graveyard dead. If he turns out to have been a cop, then he should have announced himself by knocking on my door, and yelling "police".
    Murder fantasies aside, the more likely scenario is you pull a gun and they kill you for it. Should you survive the hail of bullets that arrives and managed to kill an officer, you'll be sentenced to death for the murder of a police officer if your state allows such things. Else, life in prison. Enjoy. If you didn't kill an officer, you'd still be arrested for trying to kill an officer, even if it turns out you don't actually have a giant cocaine stash.

    The cops get to win. Period.

    No-knock warrants are ridiculous and reckless and need severe restrictions placed on them.
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    Re: Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    I'm in total agreement with you, except for the "murder fantasy" part. It isn't murder, at least morally, if you're defending your family and home from an unknown intruder.

    That said -- if you drill a cop who was too dumb to announce themselves, you're definitely toast, because they're gonna have a bunch of friends right behind them.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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