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    Re: Social Security Deficits Now Permanent

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It is quite amusing to hear conservatives complain about S.S. as an entitlement and a bad thing, but then they themselves have no problem using it.
    give me the ability to shift my FICA taxes into a private account that's owned by me and you'll be amazed at how fast I do so. hell, i'll leave a third of my taxes still in the system, just to pay for others, and sign whatever you want me to giving me no right to future benefits despite my payments if you will let me do this.

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    Re: Social Security Deficits Now Permanent

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Are you actually here to debate or just troll threads with out of context BS? ARE the GOP Perfect? Never claimed they are, are there politicians of all stripes that **** up, sure are. I believe in CONSERVATISM, not the Republican Party. This is where your commentary fails, where your logic falters, and why I'm mocking you now.
    lol. Who said anything about Republicans?

    You were saying something like this right?

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    They don't care about tomorrow, they care about today. What can I have today > what might have to be paid for tomorrow.
    I'll quote it again, cause it's funny

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    And Duece agains adds nothing to a thread.

    Why did America Elect such people taht have no faith in the Country? The shame of this Administration will take a generation to expunge.
    Someone said reality, the US has fallen behind and cannot drive global growth, and they "have no faith in the country" and by extension I'm asuming you mean Un-American.

    So really, you say "people should accept reality, but when it comes to you, that one piece of reality is "Un American".

    So which is in Vicchio? You didn't really address my post, you can't just brush it off your shoulder,...

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    Re: Social Security Deficits Now Permanent

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Social Security's challenges are mild compared to those of Medicare. Moreover, Social Security can be fixed with some actuarial changes (eligibility age, benefit structure, funding, or some combination of the three). Medicare's challenges are far more complex. In part, they result, from problems inherent in the nation's health care system, specifically the excessive cost growth problem.
    This is first non-centrist post I've ever seen you post. You suggest we fix something which should not exist even close to this form. Social Security should have been changed 50 years ago, and not let go on and on and on, lulling this country into believing that a wrong principle, and un-American and un-Constitutional principle was the right thing to do. This whole business has gone on way to long, and doesn't even make good business sense. Same thing with Medicare, it socialism and it coming apart. Look at the European example (with their socialism), once the US economy goes under, they're finished over there.
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    Re: Social Security Deficits Now Permanent

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This is first non-centrist post I've ever seen you post. You suggest we fix something which should not exist even close to this form. Social Security should have been changed 50 years ago, and not let go on and on and on, lulling this country into believing that a wrong principle, and un-American and un-Constitutional principle was the right thing to do. This whole business has gone on way to long, and doesn't even make good business sense. Same thing with Medicare, it socialism and it coming apart. Look at the European example (with their socialism), once the US economy goes under, they're finished over there.
    lol.

    Yet you fail to understand they've been quicker to react to their fiscal problems, ALOT QUICKER then you (considering you haven't done anything really).

    Oh well.

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    Re: Social Security Deficits Now Permanent

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    lol.

    Yet you fail to understand they've been quicker to react to their fiscal problems, ALOT QUICKER then you (considering you haven't done anything really).

    Oh well.
    He and his conservative cohorts (that is not all conservatives) fail to understand quite many things including this subject. It is funny that their only solutions is cut cut cut and lower taxes on the rich..
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    Re: Social Security Deficits Now Permanent

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    He and his conservative cohorts (that is not all conservatives) fail to understand quite many things including this subject. It is funny that their only solutions is cut cut cut and lower taxes on the rich..
    Yeah but at the same time Pete, raising taxes on the rich isn't a magical solution either.

    It takes across the board cuts and across the board tax raises.

    But that would simply make too much sense, after all, election results are more important then the countries future, haven't you heard?

    And that goes for both sides.

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    Re: Social Security Deficits Now Permanent

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Yeah but at the same time Pete, raising taxes on the rich isn't a magical solution either.
    Never said it was.. although it is a good place to start.

    It takes across the board cuts and across the board tax raises.
    Yep.. starting with capital gains tax.

    But that would simply make too much sense, after all, election results are more important then the countries future, haven't you heard?
    Yep.. and when the next election is done, then there is "only" 12ish months till the next round starts!

    And that goes for both sides.
    Yep, but no one is more hypocritical and blind than the present crop of GOP and "conservative" hacks.
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    Re: Social Security Deficits Now Permanent

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Medicare's issues stem from the fact that making cuts hurts industry and thus affects the economy. A majority of healthcare funding in this country comes from Medicare. It's easy to say "cut medicare" unless you realize that at the same time you are saying "cut healthcare reimbursement to providers, thus cutting healthcare access/quality to patients." With a population that lives longer, and baby boomers entering the system (and likely stressing the hell out of it) the challenge of keeping medicare viable is astronomical.
    I see what you're saying. I'm generally amused when I see hospitals/doctors threatening to stop treating Medicare patients. If that happens, pardon the cynic in me, 30-year-olds will start needing hip replacements. So, excellent point.

    No matter what one's income, the Medicare deductible is (I believe still) $225.00 a year. There is no excuse for this model.

    A progressive deductible depending upon one's income (or assets) makes far more sense and would save billions...both in actual dollars and, more importantly, in how seniors use the system. 47 million people are on Medicare. If 25% of them have incomes (or assets) high enough to justify a $2,500 deductible, that would save the system $27 billion -- just in deductible savings. Many of these people would change the way they use the system if the first $2,500 came out of their pockets resulting in more significant savings.

    Further, the $99 (approx.) monthly premium for Medicare should be progressive as well. If that 25% number held, and those 25% were required to pay a monthly premium of $400 (an absolute positive bargain!), that's another $43 billion saved annually.

    Raise the upper limit payroll taxes on Medicare/Drug coverage from its current approximate $100K ceiling, maybe to $200K.

    Make some currently-covered Medicare procedures co-op pay -- such as routine podiatry care.

    Levy some taxes that, instead of going into the general revenue fund, go into the Medicare pot. Example might be an environmentally friendly tax on bottled water. The US consumes 50 billion bottles of water each year x 10-cent tax into the Medicare fund = $5 billion. Junk food and soda taxes -- let's do some social engineering.

    Taxing junk/soda could do double duty -- raising money and, perhaps, making us a tad more healthy. I couldn't find absolute numbers on soda, but I did find that, in 2008, the average American consumed 412 8-ounce servings of Coke. That's 15 billion 8-ounce cans of just Coke x 10-cents a can = $1.5 billion. (A 12-ounce can of soda has about 12 teaspoons of sugar in it, by the by.) Put a tax on fast foods...processed foods. Why not?? The stuff's killing us.

    Levy a separate Medicare tax on tobacco and liquor products.

    I believe that the same way we can handle Social Security's woes can be used, with modification, to handle Medicare's.
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    Re: Social Security Deficits Now Permanent

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    lol.

    Yet you fail to understand they've been quicker to react to their fiscal problems, ALOT QUICKER then you (considering you haven't done anything really).

    Oh well.
    Yes, we can see how they've been quick to react.

    Riots across Europe fuelled by economic crisis - Telegraph

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    Re: Social Security Deficits Now Permanent

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, we can see how they've been quick to react.

    Riots across Europe fuelled by economic crisis - Telegraph

    Did Europe piss on your kids in christmas eve or something?

    Just because there were riots, does not mean anything to my statement, that the European nations are making a better effort then the US to tackle their fiscal problems.

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