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    Re: Social Security Deficits Now Permanent

    I would not worry too much. If the GOP gets its way, the life expectancy will fall since the elderly cant get any healthcare since they dont have any money!.. so win win right?
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    Re: Social Security Deficits Now Permanent

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Social Security's challenges are mild compared to those of Medicare. Moreover, Social Security can be fixed with some actuarial changes (eligibility age, benefit structure, funding, or some combination of the three). Medicare's challenges are far more complex. In part, they result, from problems inherent in the nation's health care system, specifically the excessive cost growth problem.
    It can be fixed by ending the program. Now.

    10 year, pay out by age grouping, oldest to youngest then END it.

    Same thing with Medicaide and Medicare. You CANNOT make massive entitlement programs sustainable, all you can do is punt the issue.
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    Re: Social Security Deficits Now Permanent

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It can be fixed by ending the program. Now.

    10 year, pay out by age grouping, oldest to youngest then END it.

    Same thing with Medicaide and Medicare. You CANNOT make massive entitlement programs sustainable, all you can do is punt the issue.
    But then it's time to be honest, you either say "we're going to take care of our elderly" or "we're not going to take care of our elderly".

    Be honest.

    If you're a retired construction worker, you have athritis and you didn't make enough to pay for health care in old age, you're ****ed.

    But that's ok as long as someone is willing to say "sorry chum, we can't afford you".

    It's not wrong as long as you're honest about it.

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    Re: Social Security Deficits Now Permanent

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    But then it's time to be honest, you either say "we're going to take care of our elderly" or "we're not going to take care of our elderly".

    Be honest.

    If you're a retired construction worker, you have athritis and you didn't make enough to pay for health care in old age, you're ****ed.

    But that's ok as long as someone is willing to say "sorry chum, we can't afford you".

    It's not wrong as long as you're honest about it.
    I think most of us would be willing to pay out what is supposed to be sent to current and about to be current retirees.
    The problem arises that there are other options, that have been noted as being more successful than Social Security, yet so many resist them.

    Chile is celebrating it's 30th anniversary with private retirement accounts, that have lower contribution requirements but typically pay out more than SS does.

    Why should all of us be forced to "invest" in an inferior product because other people don't like choices?
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    Re: Social Security Deficits Now Permanent

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    But then it's time to be honest, you either say "we're going to take care of our elderly" or "we're not going to take care of our elderly".
    That's a false choice that's couched in the LIE that only GOVERNMENT can take care of people. Listen to you lot, just listen to yourselves. "Oh woes us, if Government doesn't care for us, we're DOOMED!!!"

    How silly, how pathetic you all sound. The politicians promise you a "safe" way, convince you that without their benevolent guidance, you will starve in the streets, die in the cold, weep alone. And instead of saying "Bugger off", you flock in fear of your own stupidity. What about personal responsibility? Oh wait, that's a scary term, it means planning, saving, being responsible. Can't have that, someone might screw up, and then what? Who saves them eh?

    What happens when the whole system collapses under the weight of it's own stinking lies? The whole welfare state paradigm is built on sand, a house of cards just waiting for one good puff of wind to blow it all over.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Be honest.
    I am being honest, you want honesty? How about you admit you're scared of growing up, taking care of yourself, better to let the State do it for you, cause you're afraid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    If you're a retired construction worker, you have athritis and you didn't make enough to pay for health care in old age, you're ****ed.
    Oh noes! Scare tactics! What's next the race card? The "victim" card?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    But that's ok as long as someone is willing to say "sorry chum, we can't afford you".
    It's not "Sorry chum, we can't afford you." It's "Hey, you had choices, you live with them."

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    It's not wrong as long as you're honest about it.
    It would help your case if you were honest, just for a moment. You're AFRAID.
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    Re: Social Security Deficits Now Permanent

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    That's a false choice that's couched in the LIE that only GOVERNMENT can take care of people. Listen to you lot, just listen to yourselves. "Oh woes us, if Government doesn't care for us, we're DOOMED!!!"

    How silly, how pathetic you all sound. The politicians promise you a "safe" way, convince you that without their benevolent guidance, you will starve in the streets, die in the cold, weep alone. And instead of saying "Bugger off", you flock in fear of your own stupidity. What about personal responsibility? Oh wait, that's a scary term, it means planning, saving, being responsible. Can't have that, someone might screw up, and then what? Who saves them eh?

    What happens when the whole system collapses under the weight of it's own stinking lies? The whole welfare state paradigm is built on sand, a house of cards just waiting for one good puff of wind to blow it all over.


    I am being honest, you want honesty? How about you admit you're scared of growing up, taking care of yourself, better to let the State do it for you, cause you're afraid.


    Oh noes! Scare tactics! What's next the race card? The "victim" card?


    It's not "Sorry chum, we can't afford you." It's "Hey, you had choices, you live with them."



    It would help your case if you were honest, just for a moment. You're AFRAID.
    None of this right wing rhetoric bull**** is honestly worth a streak of piss.

    I'm not ****ing afraid, I'm going to be just fine, and good you're honest, lets just hope if you get your way, and all of it is abolished, that you might not need it cause you fell on hard times.

    Otherwise, I'll throw a quarter in your hat, private charity and all that.

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    Re: Social Security Deficits Now Permanent

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    None of this right wing rhetoric bull**** is honestly worth a streak of piss.
    Yes, I suppose the left wing "The world will end, women and children and old people will STARVE AND DIE and LIFE WILL BE SUCK!!" if, we ended big government entitlement programs isn't the song of cowards afraid of their own existence, it's "reality!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I'm not ****ing afraid, I'm going to be just fine, and good you're honest, lets just hope if you get your way, and all of it is abolished, that you might not need it cause you fell on hard times.
    LIFE is hard times, grow up. No one owes me a penny, and I don't owe anyone jack ****. All Big Government Entitlement Programs are pathetic slugs of life demanding other people PAY FOR THEIR LIVES. "OH WOES ME!!! I FELL ON HARD TIMES!!! Oh Mr. Politician! Here's my vote!!! Give me other peoples hard earned labor! I don't give a rats ass about anyone else, gimmie gimmie gimmie!!!"
    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Otherwise, I'll throw a quarter in your hat, private charity and all that.
    A quarter tossed to private charity is far more useful, moral and worth the effort then a dollar taken by the Government.

    It's time people woke up, told the politicians "We aren't for sale, sorry old folks but NO, you cannot have our futures" and took folks like you aside and slapped the crap out of you for daring think you had a right to steal from us for your own greedy ends.
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    Re: Social Security Deficits Now Permanent

    A difference in philosophy.

    That's all that seperates us.

    Problem is, the raving, mouth foaming way you put it, is irrelevent in totality.

    You say, they should be ended, Republicans have held all levels of government at various points, why have they never ended it? Is it because perhaps they realise the human impact of such a decision?

    You see government as the problem, and regardless of what you may think, I don't see government as a solution.

    What I do see government as, is a medium, a tool. That WE THE PEOPLE control, I see a better use for government that is accountable to the people, then a private corporation with an agenda when it comes to citizens needs, rather then their wants.

    A tool in which THE PEOPLE combine their recources to tackle a problem, whether it be the education of our children, the health of our people, and the defence of our nation.

    You see Health Care as a priveledge, I see health care as a fundamental right for me and my fellow citizen, we stand as one, or we fall as one, a nation divided against itself cannot stand, for a nation to be prosperous in this century, it must unite itself and point itself in a single direction, it must commit itself to 21st century solutions that provide prosperity, gutting education, health and various other things will not achieve that goal.

    And a disclaimer on that last point, yes I know more money doesn't mean better results, HOWEVER, where are the solutions then, its not as if cutting funding is magically going to fix the fact that America's schools are crumbling. And it's not entirely the unions fault either, I mean seriously, what happened to personal responsbility with the child and the parents. Oh wait I forgot there's an election next year, better hammer the left eh

    Anywho.

    Yeah, Republicans have had plenty of oppertunity to gut the Dept. of Education, medicare and medicaid and Social Security, I mean **** Leave No Child Behind is the dumbest piece of **** legislation perhaps in Educational history...

    Anyway.

    Your opinion and my opinion will butt heads til the end of time, and I'm well aware that the reality is, you cannot afford to run these programs in the long term, but the other issue is, private health insurance has been butt ****ing the American Public for years now and it's going to continue.

    The thing is, no solution is absolutely perfect, not yours, not mine, not anybody's, as Tony Blair once said

    "All you can really do, is try to make most of the people happy, most of the time".

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    Re: Social Security Deficits Now Permanent

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
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    Most of the time, politicians don't this stuff because the political fallout is horrid, not because it may be better.

    If good ideas based on real results, ruled the day, our world would be totally different.

    Just don't ever trust that, because it hasn't been done, means that it is bad.
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    Re: Social Security Deficits Now Permanent

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    A difference in philosophy.

    That's all that seperates us.

    Problem is, the raving, mouth foaming way you put it, is irrelevent in totality.

    You say, they should be ended, Republicans have held all levels of government at various points, why have they never ended it? Is it because perhaps they realise the human impact of such a decision?

    You see government as the problem, and regardless of what you may think, I don't see government as a solution.

    What I do see government as, is a medium, a tool. That WE THE PEOPLE control, I see a better use for government that is accountable to the people, then a private corporation with an agenda when it comes to citizens needs, rather then their wants.

    A tool in which THE PEOPLE combine their recources to tackle a problem, whether it be the education of our children, the health of our people, and the defence of our nation.

    You see Health Care as a priveledge, I see health care as a fundamental right for me and my fellow citizen, we stand as one, or we fall as one, a nation divided against itself cannot stand, for a nation to be prosperous in this century, it must unite itself and point itself in a single direction, it must commit itself to 21st century solutions that provide prosperity, gutting education, health and various other things will not achieve that goal.

    And a disclaimer on that last point, yes I know more money doesn't mean better results, HOWEVER, where are the solutions then, its not as if cutting funding is magically going to fix the fact that America's schools are crumbling. And it's not entirely the unions fault either, I mean seriously, what happened to personal responsbility with the child and the parents. Oh wait I forgot there's an election next year, better hammer the left eh

    Anywho.

    Yeah, Republicans have had plenty of oppertunity to gut the Dept. of Education, medicare and medicaid and Social Security, I mean **** Leave No Child Behind is the dumbest piece of **** legislation perhaps in Educational history...

    Anyway.

    Your opinion and my opinion will butt heads til the end of time, and I'm well aware that the reality is, you cannot afford to run these programs in the long term, but the other issue is, private health insurance has been butt ****ing the American Public for years now and it's going to continue.

    The thing is, no solution is absolutely perfect, not yours, not mine, not anybody's, as Tony Blair once said

    "All you can really do, is try to make most of the people happy, most of the time".

    They have held power, and they have failed to do the right thing, because people are idiots. They don't care about tomorrow, they care about today. What can I have today > what might have to be paid for tomorrow.

    Look around you Jet, Credit Cards maxxed, people buying homes they cannot afford, cars they cannot pay for. Politicians keeping false promises of a better tomorrow for votes to today in return for spending. Progressives, of all political stripes, that's who I blame.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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