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U.S. Navy reverses decision to allow same-sex marriages by chaplains at military chap

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Councilman said:
As I posted in another threads I don't have anything against Gays getting hitched. I have a younger brother was kicked out of the Army for being gay and he now is dying of aids. That does not change "The Defense of Marriage Act." We have laws and they must be enforced or we become nothing but anarchists,

Repeal the law and I will go along with it no problem but stop making us things you know nothing about. I could be an Ordained Minister for all you know, and might have been for over 30 years.
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DOMA is entirely irrelevant to the policy as iit was. The soldiers had to be able to be married by astate that allowed SSM, and the marriage was still not recognized by the federal government or any statge that did not choose to.
 
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Jerry said:
Like who?


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Why do you hate the military?
 
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Ikari said:
Why do you hate the military?
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I'm asking you to name exactly who you were referring to in this thread.
 
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Redress said:
That is just regulations for Military Entrance Processing Command. With ther changes to Title 10, it will go away if it already has not. The support plan for DADT repeal actually does address this.
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If it's still in force, then SSM will still out gays and get them in trouble. Those policies have to be taken down before Chaplains can perform SSM ceremonies, even non-legally binding SS ceremonies.
 
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Redress said:
DOMA is entirely irrelevant to the policy as iit was. The soldiers had to be able to be married by astate that allowed SSM, and the marriage was still not recognized by the federal government or any statge that did not choose to.
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The entire issue of marriage is social policy whether it's inter-racial, hetero or SSM. The whole issue is social. The Left, in this example, is attempting to use the military as a political tool to shape social policy regarding marriage.
 
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Jerry said:
If it's still in force, then SSM will still out gays and get them in trouble. Those policies have to be taken down before Chaplains can perform SSM ceremonies, even non-legally binding SS ceremonies.
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And this entire discussion is based on the assumption that DADT will be officially repealed around August, after the training is complete and everyone signs off on it. The memo that was retracted specifically stated that it concerned training and policy that would take affect after DADT was officially repealed.
 
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Redress said:
And your opinion limits what our service people can do for no rational reason. So I repeat, why do you hate our servicemen and women?
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I don't think he said he hated anyone.
 
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Jerry said:
I'm asking you to name exactly who you were referring to in this thread.
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Quit giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
 
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roguenuke said:
And this entire discussion is based on the assumption that DADT will be officially repealed around August, after the training is complete and everyone signs off on it. The memo that was retracted specifically stated that it concerned training and policy that would take affect after DADT was officially repealed.
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So what's the concern here, then? DADT is still going away, as it should, and gays can still serve openly if married, as they should. I don't see what the big deal is. I'm totally missing the point here.
 
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I think I get it, the Laws in America mean nothing to Liberals and if you support law enforcement your the hater not the people who stuff up and then call you names based on their lies.


I used to wonder how Obama could possibly still be popular with some Liberals after two years of failure and a new record for lies he's been caught in. Now the answer really jumps out a one. Thanks for the clarification.

Obama’s 158 and growing Documented Lies Obama’s 158 and growing Documented Lies — The Gray Morass
 
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I don't support laws that are clearly a violation of Equal Protection of the Constitution and put in place to discriminate against a specific group of people because another group of people do not agree with their choice of legal, consenting, adult partner.
 
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Jerry said:
The entire issue of marriage is social policy whether it's inter-racial, hetero or SSM. The whole issue is social. The Left, in this example, is attempting to use the military as a political tool to shape social policy regarding marriage.
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No. It is up to the states to determine who can get married(within the frameowrk of the constitution, and court cases deciding that now). If a state allows SSM, then the military would be making social policy to deny them the right to be married by chaplains.
 
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Councilman said:
I think I get it, the Laws in America mean nothing to Liberals and if you support law enforcement your the hater not the people who stuff up and then call you names based on their lies.


I used to wonder how Obama could possibly still be popular with some Liberals after two years of failure and a new record for lies he's been caught in. Now the answer really jumps out a one. Thanks for the clarification.

Obama’s 158 and growing Documented Lies Obama’s 158 and growing Documented Lies — The Gray Morass
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You would have a point if, and only if, allowing military chaplains perform SSM's in any way breaking the law. Since that is not the case, you have no point here.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Let's all knock off the trolling and stick to the topic.
 
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Redress said:
No.
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So your saying Marriage is not a social issue.

Are you saying Marriage is a national defense issue, because we're talking about military?

Redress said:
It is up to the states to determine who can get married(within the frameowrk of the constitution, and court cases deciding that now). If a state allows SSM, then the military would be making social policy to deny them the right to be married by chaplains.
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Marriage being a state issue does not define what kind of issue it is (ie social, fiscal, national defense, etc), only what form of jurisdiction regulates it.

I saw nothing in the OP or it's article where the Navy specifically stipulated that Sailors who's ports-of-call are in States which not offer SSM, would be denied a SSM by a military Chaplin.
 
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Redress said:
You would have a point if, and only if, allowing military chaplains perform SSM's in any way breaking the law. Since that is not the case, you have no point here.
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The problem is that, as things are today, a SS couple would breaking other laws against homosexual conduct by seeking a SSM. The Chaplin performing the marriage would be required to report the couple to their chain or command for court martial. That's the wrinkle which needs to be ironed out.
 
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Jerry said:
So your saying Marriage is not a social issue.

Are you saying Marriage is a national defense issue, because we're talking about military?
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Hrmm, did not bother to wait for the explanation, but in fact separated this out to question it even though I provided an explanation right after it in the same post. Kinda dishonest tactics there.

Marriage being a state issue does not define what kind of issue it is (ie social, fiscal, national defense, etc), only what form of jurisdiction regulates it.

I saw nothing in the OP or it's article where the Navy specifically stipulated that Sailors who's ports-of-call are in States which not offer SSM, would be denied a SSM by a military Chaplin.
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Ah, assume I am talking about the part of your comments that I was not responsive to, and then claim I was not responsive, but did not notice my comments directly addressed the other part of your comment.
 
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Redress said:
Hrmm, did not bother to wait for the explanation, but in fact separated this out to question it even though I provided an explanation right after it in the same post. Kinda dishonest tactics there.



Ah, assume I am talking about the part of your comments that I was not responsive to, and then claim I was not responsive, but did not notice my comments directly addressed the other part of your comment.
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I don't see how your post answers my requests for clarity of your argument, or advance the discussion in any way.
 
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Jerry said:
The problem is that, as things are today, a SS couple would breaking other laws against homosexual conduct by seeking a SSM. The Chaplin performing the marriage would be required to report the couple to their chain or command for court martial. That's the wrinkle which needs to be ironed out.
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Why do you keep repeating this? It was covered a page or two ago that chaplains being able to perform same sex marriages was contingent on the official repeal of DADT, which is the only rule against gays in the military or being involved in a same sex relationship, and is most likely happening around August.
 
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roguenuke said:
Why do you keep repeating this?
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Because the law I quoted is not a part of DADT or DOMA. DADT is NOT the only law against gays marrying, that's where you're critically wrong.

If future legislation is going to address 601-23, fine, but that wasn't clarified at the time I made that post, so there's the answer to your question.
 
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Jerry said:
Because the law I quoted is not a part of DADT or DOMA. DADT is NOT the only law against gays marrying, that's where you're critically wrong.

If future legislation is going to address 601-23, fine, but that wasn't clarified at the time I made that post, so there's the answer to your question.
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And that has already been covered too. It is part of the repeal process of DADT, and was specifically covered by the action plan for that repeal.
 
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Redress said:
And that has already been covered too. It is part of the repeal process of DADT, and was specifically covered by the action plan for that repeal.
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Right, so what's left to discuss?

Chaplains getting advanced training, now not going to get advanced training....like it was going to effect gays either way.

So some Righties played some dirty pool.....welcome to politics, Lefties aren't innocent either.

**** both houses.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Moderator's Warning:
Let's all knock off the trolling and stick to the topic.
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You're trying to ruin our perfect record. :mrgreen:
 
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Redress said:
Why do you hate our servicemen and women?
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How do you get hate for serviceman by being against homosexual marriage by military chaplains...I dont get that redress
 
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lpast said:
How do you get hate for serviceman by being against homosexual marriage by military chaplains...I dont get that redress
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Because there are gay, servicemen, and women, and they should be able to have a religious military ceremony if they want to, and the chaplain is willing.
 
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