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    Re: U.S. Navy reverses decision to allow same-sex marriages by chaplains at military

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    As I posted in another threads I don't have anything against Gays getting hitched. I have a younger brother was kicked out of the Army for being gay and he now is dying of aids. That does not change "The Defense of Marriage Act." We have laws and they must be enforced or we become nothing but anarchists,

    Repeal the law and I will go along with it no problem but stop making us things you know nothing about. I could be an Ordained Minister for all you know, and might have been for over 30 years.
    DOMA was amending part of the Constitution without actually going through the real proceedure to amend the Constitution. Regardless, what part of a marriage ceremony violates DOMA? I've had a couple good friends who got married in a church even though Colorado doesn't recognize same sex marriage; that against DOMA too?
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    Re: U.S. Navy reverses decision to allow same-sex marriages by chaplains at military

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    Re: U.S. Navy reverses decision to allow same-sex marriages by chaplains at military

    This is the question, does a military chaplain who performs a marriage ceremony for any couple have to sign a state marriage license for that couple or not?

    If the answer is yes, then there is no violation of DOMA, since it would be just like any other authorized officiant for the state signing the legal state document, only that particular license would be for a same sex couple instead of an opposite sex couple. The military chaplain signing the license in no way forces the federal government nor the military to recognize the marriage, so there is no violation of DOMA.

    For anyone who doesn't know this, a servicemember does not automatically get recognition for any marriage without providing the license, a request chit (although this one may just be the Navy), and whatever other paperwork their particular service might require in order to start getting each individual benefit for being married. It doesn't matter who performed the wedding, the paperwork still has to be submitted in order to receive the benefits. And if it isn't a marriage recognized by the federal government, then the paperwork will just be rejected.
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    Re: U.S. Navy reverses decision to allow same-sex marriages by chaplains at military

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Does DOMA change USMEPCOM reg 601-23?



    .....because I wasn't even thinking about DOMA when I posted, but DOMA seems to be your whole world.
    That is just regulations for Military Entrance Processing Command. With ther changes to Title 10, it will go away if it already has not. The support plan for DADT repeal actually does address this.
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    Re: U.S. Navy reverses decision to allow same-sex marriages by chaplains at military

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    They don't understand the difference between social policy and national defense policy, that just because you support a social cause doesn't mean it's appropriate to thrust it everywhere.
    Allowing military members have a wedding ceremony is somehow "social policy"? People having a wedding is thrusting it upon every one? You cannot just not attend the ceremony?
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    Re: U.S. Navy reverses decision to allow same-sex marriages by chaplains at military

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    As I posted in another threads I don't have anything against Gays getting hitched. I have a younger brother was kicked out of the Army for being gay and he now is dying of aids. That does not change "The Defense of Marriage Act." We have laws and they must be enforced or we become nothing but anarchists,

    Repeal the law and I will go along with it no problem but stop making us things you know nothing about. I could be an Ordained Minister for all you know, and might have been for over 30 years.
    DOMA is entirely irrelevant to the policy as iit was. The soldiers had to be able to be married by astate that allowed SSM, and the marriage was still not recognized by the federal government or any statge that did not choose to.
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    Re: U.S. Navy reverses decision to allow same-sex marriages by chaplains at military

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Like who?


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    Re: U.S. Navy reverses decision to allow same-sex marriages by chaplains at military

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why do you hate the military?
    I'm asking you to name exactly who you were referring to in this thread.

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    Re: U.S. Navy reverses decision to allow same-sex marriages by chaplains at military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is just regulations for Military Entrance Processing Command. With ther changes to Title 10, it will go away if it already has not. The support plan for DADT repeal actually does address this.
    If it's still in force, then SSM will still out gays and get them in trouble. Those policies have to be taken down before Chaplains can perform SSM ceremonies, even non-legally binding SS ceremonies.

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    Re: U.S. Navy reverses decision to allow same-sex marriages by chaplains at military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    DOMA is entirely irrelevant to the policy as iit was. The soldiers had to be able to be married by astate that allowed SSM, and the marriage was still not recognized by the federal government or any statge that did not choose to.
    The entire issue of marriage is social policy whether it's inter-racial, hetero or SSM. The whole issue is social. The Left, in this example, is attempting to use the military as a political tool to shape social policy regarding marriage.

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