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    Re: U.S. Navy reverses decision to allow same-sex marriages by chaplains at military

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    At this point in time, it breaks the law. That's why.

    Change the law first, then allow.
    Actually, it does not break the law. Strike one.
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    Re: U.S. Navy reverses decision to allow same-sex marriages by chaplains at military

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Where do you Liberals get off making stuff up that is not there. I reported my opinon of the facts.
    And your opinion limits what our service people can do for no rational reason. So I repeat, why do you hate our servicemen and women?
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    Re: U.S. Navy reverses decision to allow same-sex marriages by chaplains at military

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Where do you Liberals get off making stuff up that is not there. I reported my opinon of the facts.
    They don't understand the difference between social policy and national defense policy, that just because you support a social cause doesn't mean it's appropriate to thrust it everywhere.

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    Re: U.S. Navy reverses decision to allow same-sex marriages by chaplains at military

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    At this point in time, it breaks the law. That's why.

    Change the law first, then allow.
    DOMA would not be violated by allowing chaplains to perform same sex marriage ceremonies in states that recognize them. In fact, according to conservatives, DOMA is suppose to respect each states respective definition of marriage. Chaplains marrying same sex couples would in no way be recognzied by the federal government and therefore it is not a violation of DOMA.

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    Re: U.S. Navy reverses decision to allow same-sex marriages by chaplains at military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Actually, it does not break the law. Strike one.
    It doesn not break the law if the marriage is not a legal one, since all military falls under Federal not State law, it would be illegal to marry two same sex individuals in a legal sense. However, it is not illegal for two same sex individuals to have a marriage within a Church or whatever religious group they belong to if that group doesn't mind. There's really two types of marriage in this country, the kind where the state acknowledges you are married which matters for things like death, taxes, etc and the actual religious kind which is only recognized by whatever Church performs it.

    For example my parents were married in a Church, and the church records show them being married on that date, and as far as the church was concerned they were married. However as far as the gov't was concerned they were still unmarried until a few months later when they were "legally married" by the state

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    Re: U.S. Navy reverses decision to allow same-sex marriages by chaplains at military

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    It doesn not break the law if the marriage is not a legal one, since all military falls under Federal not State law, it would be illegal to marry two same sex individuals in a legal sense. However, it is not illegal for two same sex individuals to have a marriage within a Church or whatever religious group they belong to if that group doesn't mind. There's really two types of marriage in this country, the kind where the state acknowledges you are married which matters for things like death, taxes, etc and the actual religious kind which is only recognized by whatever Church performs it.

    For example my parents were married in a Church, and the church records show them being married on that date, and as far as the church was concerned they were married. However as far as the gov't was concerned they were still unmarried until a few months later when they were "legally married" by the state
    The service does not make them married. The service is just a ceremony, much like a re-enlistment service. You are re-enlisted when you sign your name, but the little service you can have is nice, but does not make you re-enlisted,
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    Re: U.S. Navy reverses decision to allow same-sex marriages by chaplains at military

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    DOMA would not be violated by allowing chaplains to perform same sex marriage ceremonies in states that recognize them. In fact, according to conservatives, DOMA is suppose to respect each states respective definition of marriage. Chaplains marrying same sex couples would in no way be recognzied by the federal government and therefore it is not a violation of DOMA.
    Does DOMA change USMEPCOM reg 601-23?

    d. A member may be separated for violation of laws or regulations regarding sexual conduct of members or
    the Armed Forces, for example, engaging or attempting to engage in a homosexual act or soliciting another to
    engage in such an act; for stating that he or she is homosexual or bisexual, or words to that effect, or for
    marrying or attempting to marry an individual of the same sex.
    .....because I wasn't even thinking about DOMA when I posted, but DOMA seems to be your whole world.
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    Re: U.S. Navy reverses decision to allow same-sex marriages by chaplains at military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The service does not make them married. The service is just a ceremony, much like a re-enlistment service. You are re-enlisted when you sign your name, but the little service you can have is nice, but does not make you re-enlisted,
    The service is actually required to 'solemnize' the commitment, just like a marriage service or oath of office.

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    Re: U.S. Navy reverses decision to allow same-sex marriages by chaplains at military

    Man, all these conservatives who won't support our troops. Sad day.
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    Re: U.S. Navy reverses decision to allow same-sex marriages by chaplains at military

    As I posted in another threads I don't have anything against Gays getting hitched. I have a younger brother was kicked out of the Army for being gay and he now is dying of aids. That does not change "The Defense of Marriage Act." We have laws and they must be enforced or we become nothing but anarchists,

    Repeal the law and I will go along with it no problem but stop making us things you know nothing about. I could be an Ordained Minister for all you know, and might have been for over 30 years.

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