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    McCain: Torture did not lead to bin Laden death

    WASHINGTON – Waterboarding and other harsh interrogation techniques were not a factor in tracking down Osama bin Laden, a leading Republican senator insisted Thursday.

    Sen. John McCain, who spent 5 1/2 years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam, also rejected the argument that any form of torture is critical to U.S. success in the fight against terrorism.
    Thank you, John, for setting the record straight on this issue.

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    Re: McCain: Torture did not lead to bin Laden death

    I thought water boarding KSM led, ultimately, to bin Laden's currier. As far as Sen. McCain, I'm actually one of the very few conservatives that likes and respects the guy. As Hannity said today, McCain's certainly earned the right to this opinon and every other, whether I agree with him or not.

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    Re: McCain: Torture did not lead to bin Laden death

    NOOOOOO. Torture is good and in every situation always results in pertinent information which is directly applicable to our war on terror. If it weren't for torture, Osama bin Laden would still be out there and probably teaching squirrels to fly planes into our buildings! And that's why I say we need to torture every squirrel we come across, they'll lead us to their leader and help us become safer because torture means our safety.
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    Re: McCain: Torture did not lead to bin Laden death

    The little man is right because President Bush didn't see it as torture.

    The thing is it was said just a few days ago that waterboarding was only used on 3 people in Cuba. Who knows what happened in other Countries when the CIA was taking them there for "questioning."

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    Re: McCain: Torture did not lead to bin Laden death

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    The little man is right because President Bush didn't see it as torture.

    The thing is it was said just a few days ago that waterboarding was only used on 3 people in Cuba. Who knows what happened in other Countries when the CIA was taking them there for "questioning."
    Actually, I believe that Bush came around and saw waterboarding as torture. I believe that this, among other reasons, is why Bush kicked the Neocons to the curb during his second term. Had Bush not been limited to 2 terms, I believe that his third term would have been a great one. The Neocons were the albatross around his neck.
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    Re: McCain: Torture did not lead to bin Laden death

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I thought water boarding KSM led, ultimately, to bin Laden's currier. As far as Sen. McCain, I'm actually one of the very few conservatives that likes and respects the guy. As Hannity said today, McCain's certainly earned the right to this opinon and every other, whether I agree with him or not.
    I admire John McCain. Just don't like how he flips on issues like clockwork.
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    Re: McCain: Torture did not lead to bin Laden death

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I admire John McCain. Just don't like how he flips on issues like clockwork.
    he didn't really. he momentarily lost his mind when he voted on that bill, but he never said he condoned torture.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: McCain: Torture did not lead to bin Laden death

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    he didn't really. he momentarily lost his mind when he voted on that bill, but he never said he condoned torture.
    I'm not talking about torture specifically. I'm talking about McCain's rhetoric in general. I support his position on torture.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: McCain: Torture did not lead to bin Laden death

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    NOOOOOO. Torture is good and in every situation always results in pertinent information which is directly applicable to our war on terror. If it weren't for torture, Osama bin Laden would still be out there and probably teaching squirrels to fly planes into our buildings! And that's why I say we need to torture every squirrel we come across, they'll lead us to their leader and help us become safer because torture means our safety.
    And since cats catch an occasional squirrel, they must also be waterboarded, just in case a squirrel passed along information before the cat killed it.

    Caption: Kitten being picked up for harsh interrogation. Who knows what evil lurks in it's mind? We are about to find out. Terrorist or not, we will drown it, and let God sort it out.
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    Re: McCain: Torture did not lead to bin Laden death

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Thank you, John, for setting the record straight on this issue.

    Article is here.
    In a statement, Mukasey said McCain "is simply incorrect," on the bid Laden leads and interrogation.
    Mukasey said Mohammed disclosed the nickname of the courier "along with a wealth of other information, some of which was used to stop terror plots then in progress." He said another detainee, captured in Iraq, disclosed that the courier was a trusted operative of Mohammed's successor.
    Mukasey, who was President George W. Bush's last attorney general, said former intelligence officials have said that up to 2006 valuable leads came from prisoners who were subjected to harsh techniques, including waterboarding.
    "Harsh interrogation techniques were both effective and lawful," Mukasey said.
    Who to believe?

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