In other words, according to Bush's own counter terrorism adviser, torture did not lead to the whereabouts of bin Laden's courier.Khalid Sheik Muhammed (KSM) did not talk, according to the AP, when he was tortured, but rather months later when he was questioned using humane interrogation techniques.
When asked on “Morning Joe” if KSM had provided information on the courier due to torture, John Brennan, the President’s Counter Terrorism advisor said, “not to my knowledge.” Brennan was later asked on FOX News if KSM and al-Libi had provided the initial information about the courier. “If only it were that simple,” he said.
Some will argue that it was only thanks to the waterboarding that KSM and al-Libi were willing to talk at all. This notion is rejected by the more than 75 interrogators, questioners and debriefers with the military, the FBI and the CIA who I have spoken to in depth about this subject since the revelations of abuse at Abu Ghraib. I have yet to speak to a professional interrogator who believes that torture is an effective means of questioning suspected terrorists.From this article.Consider other high profile captures and kills in the war on terrorism. The former insurgent who fingered Saddam Hussein voluntarily drew his U.S. interrogator a map showing exactly what spider hole the former dictator was hiding in. And the Al Qaeda operative who pointed US forces to Al Zarqawi, the former head of Al Qaeda in Iraq, told his interrogators the name of Zarqawi’s spiritual advisor and what kind of car he drove. (Ultimately coalition forces followed the advisor’s car to Zarqawi.)
This level of cooperation is unthinkable if torture is used. And it leaves one wondering if we might have found Osama Bin Laden earlier if KSM and al-Libi had been interrogated by the FBI’s subject matter expert or another interrogator committed to using humane techniques from the start.
But KSM DID do something for the US. He caused a crapload of terror alerts due to conditions that did not even exist, while being tortured.
From the Red Cross investigation, in PDF, page 37.
And, once again, I stress the words of Bush's own counter terrorism adviser. The info only came to light months after torture on the subjects was discontinued. But why would Yoo, Gonzales, and other Bush administration figures say otherwise? An attempt to avoid future prosecution for war crimes, I suspect. And don't forget that we convicted and punished Japanese generals after WWII for waterboarding US prisoners of war. Once the truth finally unravels, a few people are going to have a hell of a lot to answer for, and I believe that they know it.
As for John McCain being, in your words, a smallish man, I find your disrespect of his service to our nation, both as a soldier, and as a public servant, nothing short of absolutely despicable. McCain is a true American hero, who survived 5 and a half years of being tortured, and understands exactly what it is, and is willing to speak out on it. That kind of heroism is something you will never ever understand.