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    Re: Angry Mob Chases Would-Be Flag Burner Off LSU Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Islam has existed for approximately 3000 years. The flag has existed for just under 250. In the scheme of things, the enormous symbolism placed on the flag (which almost every country creates, and generally solely as a marker of the land they control) is a relatively new development.

    All I'm doing is seeing both sides of the argument. You have to truly understand Islam to understand how the Qu'ran is completely and utterly different from the flag. I understand in this day and age understanding Islam is difficult, but it would be helpful here if you did.

    To you, burning the Qu'ran is burning paper. To me, burning the Qu'ran is burning paper. To millions and millions of Muslims, you're attacking God.

    ...Obviously, I can't make you understand the difference, and I'm sure it would be pointless to state that all "symbols" are just artifacts, items, ideas that really mean nothing unless you make them mean something...but it wouldn't matter. To you, the flag is more important, and that's fine. To me, the Qu'ran could lead to more dead people than the flag, so I worry about it a little bit more. Doesn't mean I value it more...
    How long either has existed is not relevant. And you are not seeing both sides of the argument and that is the problem I have with what you are saying. The message you are putting across is that the symbolism of the Muslim way of life has a higher value than the symbolism of the American way of life. To you burning a flag is just burning a flag, to a muslim its an attack on American people, and to me its an attack on my way of life the same as me burning a Qu'ran.

    All symbols are just artifacts. Burning the flag does not actually affect anything. Neither does the Qu'ran. Regardless what you think it may be pointless to state, the two are one in the same. It is hypocritical for you to condemn one while justifying the other.

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    Re: Angry Mob Chases Would-Be Flag Burner Off LSU Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So you should have some courage of your convictions, but not to the point where you might be threatened.

    Muslims rule!
    I realize that by burning the Qu'ran I might set off some falling dominos that result in people dying...all because I was trying to make a statement that doesn't need to be made. I don't think a statement needs to be made in burning the US flag, either, but I also don't seriously think it would lead to multiple deaths at the hands of the offended.
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    Re: Angry Mob Chases Would-Be Flag Burner Off LSU Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    It's hard to compare the two. The flag is a symbol of your birth place. The Qu'ran is a symbol of your entire ideology, life style, religious means of existence. We (Americans) tend to be a bit more practical about symbolic gestures designed to offend. Somebody burns a flag and typically we're reasonable enough to say "wait, that isn't me they're burning in effigy there". A Muslim (especially a radical) isn't likely to make that distinction.

    We don't have to respond to the idiocy of others, and they have every right to be an idiot. But if what you're doing is likely to cause physical harm to other people, it should be considered. Burning a Qu'ran could lead to physical harm against white christians world-wide. Burning the flag isn't likely to lead to any physical harm to anybody (unless some idiot punches the guy burning the flag).
    When Muslims riot and muder they don;t ask wjat religion anyone is. They hjust murder.

    They did shot a nun in the back during the cartoon riots because she was an obvious choice but they had no idea who the other couple of hundred people were who were killed. They just murdered them.

    They did kill several hundred Christians during the beauty contest protests but, in general, they just kill. Madrid, 9/11, 7/7 and manh others are all examples of that.

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    Re: Angry Mob Chases Would-Be Flag Burner Off LSU Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    How long either has existed is not relevant. And you are not seeing both sides of the argument and that is the problem I have with what you are saying. The message you are putting across is that the symbolism of the Muslim way of life has a higher value than the symbolism of the American way of life. To you burning a flag is just burning a flag, to a muslim its an attack on American people, and to me its an attack on my way of life the same as me burning a Qu'ran.

    All symbols are just artifacts. Burning the flag does not actually affect anything. Neither does the Qu'ran. Regardless what you think it may be pointless to state, the two are one in the same. It is hypocritical for you to condemn one while justifying the other.
    Are you just cherry picking what I'm saying? My original point was that you can't compare the two. The explanation for that point is that there are much larger consequences to burning the Qu'ran than there are to burning the flag based on the ideology of those who have placed symobolism on that item. Americans are (generally) too practical to start killing everybody who identifies with that dude who burned the flag. Muslims are specifically told to kill over offenses to the Qu'ran. Whether you like it or not, there is a difference between the two.
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    Re: Angry Mob Chases Would-Be Flag Burner Off LSU Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I realize that by burning the Qu'ran I might set off some falling dominos that result in people dying...all because I was trying to make a statement that doesn't need to be made. I don't think a statement needs to be made in burning the US flag, either, but I also don't seriously think it would lead to multiple deaths at the hands of the offended.
    Hush you closet lib. We are supposed to blame violent Muslims for everything.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Angry Mob Chases Would-Be Flag Burner Off LSU Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Hush you closet lib. We are supposed to blame violent Muslims for everything.
    LMAO. I just think it's logic....or at least, I thought it was...
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    Re: Angry Mob Chases Would-Be Flag Burner Off LSU Campus

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    So let's get this straight, some pathetic low life steals a war memorial flag, burns it, get's arrested, and this moron decides to stand in solidarity with him? Glad to see his fellow students come out and let him know what they thought of his... beliefs.

    Tossing bottles was uncalled for, but he was lucky it wasn't 70-years ago, as bottles would have been the least of his worries.
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    Re: Angry Mob Chases Would-Be Flag Burner Off LSU Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    There is a huge difference in the acts. Burning the Qu'ran equates to an attack on God. You are, essentially, burning God. That isn't my belief, that is clearly stated in Islamic dogma. Burning a flag is not an attack on God. Burning a flag isn't an attack against people, either (at least not from what I understand). It is an attack against an existing establishment or an idea. Likewise, however, burning the Qu'ran isn't an attack against a people, but agains their God...their life force...their very definition of life and how to live it.

    The flag doesn't tell us how to live, guarantee us a spot in heaven or hell, dictate our treatment of the people around us, or provide a moral code. The Qu'ran does. People have only recently (in a grand sense) placed symbolism on a flag (just like they place symbolism on the "don't tread on me" flag, or an eagle, or any other object). And that symbolism isn't universal. The very basis of Islam is that the Qu'ran is directly of God. It is a universally accepted truth amongst all who practice Islam.
    The bottom line here is that you expect more from Americans than you do from Muslims.

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    Re: Angry Mob Chases Would-Be Flag Burner Off LSU Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The bottom line here is that you expect more from Americans than you do from Muslims.
    I expect a specific reaction based on ideology. We aren't being led by "God" to attack those who attack the flag.
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    Re: Angry Mob Chases Would-Be Flag Burner Off LSU Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The bottom line here is that you expect more from Americans than you do from Muslims.
    I do. I expect us not to kill or get our panties all up in a bunch when someone burns something, because Americans are on average a hell of a lot more pragmatic and socially progressive than that.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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