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    Re: GOP Disputes Obama's Claim That Border Security Has Improved

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Racism is going to be the key theme the Democrats play next year.

    Check out this guy's ad. Racism so blatant would have the Left screaming if an American was running the ad. Since it's a Democrat, they'll promote it.
    which video?

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    Re: GOP Disputes Obama's Claim That Border Security Has Improved

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Having the fence compete doesn't ensure border security. Obama even said that. The only thing that will ensure border security is actual reform/over-haul, which Obama wants which includes

    * Fixing the naturalization process so a waiting list doesn't build up to the point of uselessness
    Naturalization isn't the problem, getting in is the problem.

    And really, there's no reason to let unskilled workers in just because they want to when we have millions of native unskilled workers sucking down welfare.

    We don't have a shortage of unskilled labor.

    We have a shortage of unskilled labor willing to work. Give our indigenous indigents incentive by shutting off welfare. The motivated ones will find work, the others either starve or become criminals.

    * Work visas
    ONLY to people who haven't entered the US illegally. Require all applications be made in the applicant's nation of origin, with a signed affadavit of no prior illegal entry. Check fingerprints before issuing visa.

    * Dream Act - fick any libertarian that doesn't agree with something like it. Seriously, you want to deport people in college or the military who had no say in coming to the US?
    Yes.

    If the liberal can have a zero-tolerance policy on pictures of guns and knives drawn by first graders in public schools, real Americans can have a no tolerance policy on career criminals.

    * Expanding the naturalization process to get the right type of people into the US
    You're confusing naturalization with immigration. And the "right type" of people are skilled workers the nation's industries need and cannot locate domestically.

    The United States IS NOT a lifeboat.

    * Dealing with the ~8million in the US. Obama has supported allowing them to stay in the country, get some sort of status, pay back taxes, pay fines and then sending them to the back of the line for citizenship. How is that bad?
    Rewarding criminal behavior for the 20-30 million invaders encourages more invaders. Every libertarian should study some basic economics, like the concept of supply and demand. Go study.

    The United States does not need those people here.

    The United States cannot afford them.

    What part of "Illegal" do you not understand?

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    Re: GOP Disputes Obama's Claim That Border Security Has Improved

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    which video?
    There's an add in the right column. Click on it. Turned the Mayor's stomach for it's blatant race-baiting and pandering.

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    Re: GOP Disputes Obama's Claim That Border Security Has Improved

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Naturalization isn't the problem, getting in is the problem.

    And really, there's no reason to let unskilled workers in just because they want to when we have millions of native unskilled workers sucking down welfare.
    Americans don't want to work on farms or meat packing plants. Ever herd of the site "Take My Job Please." Maybe if those people were paid a decent wage for the back breaking work they do more Americans would be willing to work those job.


    We have a shortage of unskilled labor willing to work. Give our indigenous indigents incentive by shutting off welfare. The motivated ones will find work, the others either starve or become criminals.
    Do you really think everyone who doesn't have a steady job goes on welfare?

    ONLY to people who haven't entered the US illegally. Require all applications be made in the applicant's nation of origin, with a signed affadavit of no prior illegal entry. Check fingerprints before issuing visa.
    Why?



    Yes.

    If the liberal can have a zero-tolerance policy on pictures of guns and knives drawn by first graders in public schools, real Americans can have a no tolerance policy on career criminals.
    So you don't support the dream act because a child that was brought into the country by their parents of 13 years of age or YOUNGER is a criminal? Really?

    You're confusing naturalization with immigration. And the "right type" of people are skilled workers the nation's industries need and cannot locate domestically.
    No, I'm really not. You just don't know how long the lines are

    Rewarding criminal behavior for the 20-30 million invaders encourages more invaders. Every libertarian should study some basic economics, like the concept of supply and demand. Go study.

    The United States does not need those people here.

    The United States cannot afford them.

    What part of "Illegal" do you not understand?
    What part of "too broke to do deport 8million people do you not understand? Make them pay for breaking the law, reset their line status for citizenship/work visa is the only pragmatic thing we can do. Other wise, you don't fix the system just like what happened in the 80s when Reagan gave Amnesty.

    What Obama is purposing isn't amnesty, what Reagan did was.
    Last edited by xpiher; 05-12-11 at 02:47 AM.

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    Re: GOP Disputes Obama's Claim That Border Security Has Improved

    All my Mexican friends don't think I am a racist for wanting the Laws Obama refuses to enforce enforced and should be cause for his removal from office for violating Article 4 Section 4 of the Constitution. He took an Oath he is violating every day in a lot of laws he will not enforce.

    In case you missed it in the past.
    The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
    President Bush also was in this category.

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    Re: GOP Disputes Obama's Claim That Border Security Has Improved

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Americans don't want to work on farms or meat packing plants.
    Can you explain why you people, (remember, the Mayor told you to learn economics) are so damn ignorant you never say "at the wages offered"?

    Hmmmm?

    Also, why should farms pay real wages when people like you support their exploitation of the defenseless who have no recourse to lawful authority for any abuses, because they're subject to deportation for being an invader?

    Ever herd of the site "Take My Job Please." Maybe if those people were paid a decent wage for the back breaking work they do more Americans would be willing to work those job.
    MAYBE if those companies were not allowed to EXPLOIT the invaders they'd be forced, by simple laws of economics, to offer wages native citizens would accept.

    And MAYBE if native Americans didn't have their indolence subsidized, they'd be more willing to accept reasonable wage offers.

    It's NOT reasonable for any unskilled person to expect to earn a middle class income. The middle class consists of those people with skills making enough money to be off government subsidies.

    What IS happening is that the presence of the illegal alien prevents domestic unskilled labor from competing effectively for jobs. The construction trades are dominated now by illegal labor, because the unskilled illegal learned the skills to move up. Americans are facing 9% unemployment, and there's over 20 million illegal aliens in the country taking up jobs.


    Do you really think everyone who doesn't have a steady job goes on welfare?
    Do you really think the Mayor said that?

    "ONLY to people who haven't entered the US illegally. Require all applications be made in the applicant's nation of origin, with a signed affadavit of no prior illegal entry. Check fingerprints before issuing visa."


    Why?
    Because crime should not be allowed to pay.

    Because every single alien invader criminal in the nation today should be required to GET IN THE BACK OF THE LINE so the United States can send the message that it really, REALLY DOES NOT LIKE criminals. Trust the Mayor, there will be no shortage of immigrants who want to come who haven't proven their complete disrespect for American law. The criminals can get the **** out and stay out. The nation won't miss them, not when they're replaced by men and women who respect the law.

    So you don't support the dream act because a child that was brought into the country by their parents of 13 years of age or YOUNGER is a criminal? Really?
    No. The Mayor does not support the Dream Act because the adult who turns 18 and remains in the country illegally is a crimal.

    No, I'm really not. You just don't know how long the lines are
    Then there's no shortage of people OBEYING THE LAW waiting to get in, so there's no reason to coddle the criminals.

    What part of "too broke to do deport 8million people do you not understand?
    What part of "start putting their employers in jail and fining them so the 20-30 million invaders won't have jobs, and thus not have housing, food, or iPads, and thus they'll deport themselves" can't you understand?

    Make them pay for breaking the law, reset their line status for citizenship/work visa is the only pragmatic thing we can do.
    Make them pay for breaking the law by fining the **** out of them and making illegal re-entry a felony, and make their employers pay is the only pragmatic thing we can do.

    The alternative is national suicide.

    The unemployment rate this month rose to 9%, and yet you're defending the illegal alien subverting the economy.

    Other wise, you don't fix the system just like what happened in the 80s when Reagan gave Amnesty.
    And....when you give Amnesty this time,.....the same thing is going to happen...the illegal invader won't be illegal, so the exploitive employer will need to find a new source of exploitable labor.

    Where's the Dream Act for the children of American citizens who are being displaced by the children of these invaders? Who's protecting their heritage, their interests, their futures?

    What Obama is purposing isn't amnesty, what Reagan did was.
    The word you're going to see next is BULL****!

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    Re: GOP Disputes Obama's Claim That Border Security Has Improved

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    The word you're going to see next is BULL****!
    Is Obama saying that we should give blanket citizenship to every single illegal that is in the United States right now. No he is not, but under Reagan thats exactly what happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    No. The Mayor does not support the Dream Act because the adult who turns 18 and remains in the country illegally is a crimal.
    And where are they suppose to go. Their home is in America, not mexico. They don't have any ties with it.

    * Work visa fixes your "depressed wage" argument
    * I agree that people who hire illegals should be fined/put in jail if its done knowingly (sub-contracting is iffy). However, if you understand economics you'll know that, if they can't find the workers and people still demand the product that the cost of the product will increase.
    Last edited by xpiher; 05-12-11 at 03:55 AM.

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    Re: GOP Disputes Obama's Claim That Border Security Has Improved

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Is Obama saying that we should give blanket citizenship to every single illegal that is in the United States right now. No he is not, but under Reagan thats exactly what happened.
    Yes, Obama is giving amnesty to select groups.

    It's still amnesty.


    And where are they suppose to go. Their home is in America, not mexico. They don't have any ties with it.
    Doesn't seem to be the Mayor's problem. They can take it up with their criminal parents who irresponsibly broke the law and wrecked their future.

    The United States owes them NOTHING. Or, in the lingo they should be learning, NADA!

    * Work visa fixes your "depressed wage" argument
    No, it doesn't.

    Just in case you missed the news, there are 20-30 million illegal aliens in the nation.

    Also, workers with lawful visas cannot be exploited by employers as easily, hence there will still be demand for, and supplies of, persons who are willing to be exploited.

    * I agree that people who hire illegals should be fined/put in jail if its done knowingly (sub-contracting is iffy). However, if you understand economics you'll know that, if they can't find the workers and people still demand the product that the cost of the product will increase.
    Yeah. The cost of produce will raise. The illegal labor component of a head of lettuce, for example, might soar from it's current level of a dime all the way up to twenty-five cents. What really drives the cost of products at the retail level is transportation and handling, most of which is done by lawful citizens, and which, therefore do not grow as the illegals are told to go home.

    The economic cost of slightly higher prices is balanced by savings in welfare to Americans, the employment of Americans, who pay their taxes, the reduction of burden on schools, hospitals, roads, police services, and welfare as the invader population declines.

    There's no negative to restoring America's control over it's borders, it's interior, and it's destiny.

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    Re: GOP Disputes Obama's Claim That Border Security Has Improved

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Americans don't want to work on farms or meat packing plants.
    one million of us were sure eager to put on the paper hat

    One Million Applications, 62,000 Jobs Served At McDonald’s CBS Chicago

    america under barack the slasher hussein

    seeya at the polls, progressives

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    Re: GOP Disputes Obama's Claim That Border Security Has Improved

    Everytime you call a company and you have to dial 1 for English, think about the borders.

    Obama lies, about everything and with the borders, he simply does not care because more poor people means more votes for him since he wants to appear as if he is Robin Hood.

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