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Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

rathi said:
Doctors shouldn't pry into patients personal life unless it has medical relevance. Generally speaking, there is nor reason to ask about guns, although CC did bring up a valid exception. I still think it is a bad idea to make it illegal to ask a question. A better approach would be to pull the medical license of a doctor who turns away patients simply because they won't answer unneeded personal questions.
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Wouldn't that kind of be like making a law that makes it illegal to ask unrelated/unneeded questions if it says they can lose their license for turning away patients who refuse to answer unneeded/unrelated questions?
 
jamesrage said:
It is stupid.



I am pro-2nd amendment.So I am against any waiting period.





The law doesn't have to specify exactly what questions can and can not be asked. The law can simply state that you may not ask unrelated questions as a precondition for goods and or service or that you may not deny service on a customer/patients refusal to answer. A suicidal nutcase seeing a shrink/quack it would be relevant for that shrink/quack to ask their patient if they have guns,knives,poisons, and possibly anything else that nutcase can try to off himself with.



But yet doctors are asking.



Doctor may refuse service, and the patient may be forced to see another doctor assuming that some medical organization or the government is not making all doctors ask all their patients these questions.Plus I do not like the idea of a back door firearm registry.




But their bosses,regulators, associations or who ever may be out to get gun owners.




I have no problem with those things as long as they are actually relevant to the job.
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My response would be, if a doctor is actively turning away patients in need because they own guns, they should face some sort of penalty. I still see no purpose in a law barring people from asking questions.
 
jamesrage said:
Asking a patient if they have a fire arm is a unrelated question.
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What if the patient is suicidal and asking about firearms is to assess access to the means by which they may off themselves?

Private practitioners in non-emergency situations should be allowed to deny service for whatever reason. It's their labor, not yours.
 
Ikari said:
What if the patient is suicidal and asking about firearms is to assess access to the means by which they may off themselves?

Private practitioners in non-emergency situations should be allowed to deny service for whatever reason. It's their labor, not yours.
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In Louisiana, if a patient is deemed suicidal, they can placed under and order of protective custody.
 
Ikari said:
What if the patient is suicidal and asking about firearms is to assess access to the means by which they may off themselves?
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I thought a Libertarian view would be along the lines of 'if it neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg, I don't care....' How is this statement even close to a Libertarian view?

Private practitioners in non-emergency situations should be allowed to deny service for whatever reason. It's their labor, not yours.
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Tell that to libs that back Obamacare. They with the legislation have conscripted docs into government service.

j-mac
 
Ikari said:
What if the patient is suicidal and asking about firearms is to assess access to the means by which they may off themselves?
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If its a quack/shrink with a nut case and or suicidal patient then it is relevant for that "doctor" to ask his or her patient if they got knives,guns,dangerous medication and anything else that nutcase and or suicidal person might use to kill themselves.


Private practitioners in non-emergency situations should be allowed to deny service for whatever reason. It's their labor, not yours.
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So they should be allowed to deny you service if you support gay marriage, voted for a president they didn't like, support interracial marriages and so on?
 
j-mac said:
I thought a Libertarian view would be along the lines of 'if it neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg, I don't care....' How is this statement even close to a Libertarian view?
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It was a question. Personally I don't care if someone wants to off themselves so long as they leave others out of it. But you said that there was no medical necessity to know if someone has guns. Yet if someone is suffering from depression or other mental/pschological diseases and could be suicidal; then knowing whether or not they have access to guns is indeed related to the medical treatment of that patient and is thus NOT unrelated. I was trying to see how one can argue to come to terms with that break in your logic.

j-mac said:
Tell that to libs that back Obamacare. They with the legislation have conscripted docs into government service.

j-mac
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That does not change my statement. Why is it deflect deflect deflect? "That's not libertarian" "blame it on the libs".
 
jamesrage said:
So they should be allowed to deny you service if you support gay marriage, voted for a president they didn't like, support interracial marriages and so on?
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I would say yes. Maybe they just don't like the cut of your jib. Private practitioners are a private business and they are selling their labor.
 
StillBallin75 said:
My response would be, if a doctor is actively turning away patients in need because they own guns, they should face some sort of penalty. I still see no purpose in a law barring people from asking questions.
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We all know it's obvious why they're asking. It's to discourage gun ownership. Anyone that tells you otherwise is full of ****.
 
American said:
We all know it's obvious why they're asking. It's to discourage gun ownership. Anyone that tells you otherwise is full of ****.
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Yes, because all doctors are out to get gun owners because it's their business. :roll: come on dude. We might as well pass a law barring ANYONE from asking questions about people's personal lives. How about this: if you don't like the question, DON'T ANSWER. It's that simple.
 
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American said:
We all know it's obvious why they're asking. It's to discourage gun ownership. Anyone that tells you otherwise is full of ****.
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You are no mindreader. And your statement is absurd.
 
Ikari said:
It was a question. Personally I don't care if someone wants to off themselves so long as they leave others out of it. But you said that there was no medical necessity to know if someone has guns. Yet if someone is suffering from depression or other mental/pschological diseases and could be suicidal; then knowing whether or not they have access to guns is indeed related to the medical treatment of that patient and is thus NOT unrelated. I was trying to see how one can argue to come to terms with that break in your logic.
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Break in MY logic? that's a good one....I guess in your extensive study of the Mentally ill, you haven't noticed yet that those suffering from depression, or suicidal thought are prone to lie about things like this...Well, I guess the next step then would be to break down their door and search their house in the name of keeping them safe eh?

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Break in MY logic? that's a good one....I guess in your extensive study of the Mentally ill, you haven't noticed yet that those suffering from depression, or suicidal thought are prone to lie about things like this...Well, I guess the next step then would be to break down their door and search their house in the name of keeping them safe eh?

j-mac
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No, but it shouldn't stop the question from being asked, which seems to be the point of contention here. I've given you a valid medical reason as to why a doctor should be allowed to ask the question. Well I think it's a free country and a doctor should be able to ask any question anyway; but whatever. Some people seem to contend that idea as well.
 
Is this really the most pressing need in the Florida Legislature right now?
 
American said:
We all know it's obvious why they're asking. It's to discourage gun ownership. Anyone that tells you otherwise is full of ****.
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Why do you keep saying they're? How many physicians were reported doing this?

Does the word paranoia ring a bell.
 
marduc said:
you mean like this?

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Maybe the Florida legislature needs to put a bill up to prevent doctors from asking who you voted for.
 
This thread proves that conservatives are just fine with big government, just as long as its the sort of government interference they want.

It's ok for the government to decide how your doctor can operate?

Doctors routinely ask about home risk factors, especially pediatricians. Are your electrical sockets covered? Are dangerous/poisonous substances kept out of reach? Is there a gun in the home, and if so is it kept in a locked box or safe?

The paranoia about "backdoor registration" is just absurd.

If the question bothers you, don't ****ing answer it. But no, you'd rather run to the nanny state to get Big Brother Government to make sure the meanie doctor doesn't ask you a question that might bother you.
 
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Do the people who think doctors should be able to ask anything believe a question about the patient's immigration status would be A-OK and the answer recorded in their medical history (assuming of course they are using a real name LOL)?
 
j-mac said:
Break in MY logic? that's a good one....I guess in your extensive study of the Mentally ill, you haven't noticed yet that those suffering from depression, or suicidal thought are prone to lie about things like this...Well, I guess the next step then would be to break down their door and search their house in the name of keeping them safe eh?

j-mac
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No. Just hospitalize them if one believes that they are unsafe.
 
lpast said:
ahh...ok that puts it in a much different light...thank you for that explanation
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No.

It's not the doctor's job to either lecture or moralize to a child on guns and gun safety.

There are these people called "parents" assigned that task.

Besides which, what parent let's their child get naked alone in a room with a stranger presuming the authority to touch them? Eveyrone knows that not only are all guns dangerously blood thirsty but doctors are all pedophiles.
 
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