Page 9 of 15 FirstFirst ... 7891011 ... LastLast
Results 81 to 90 of 146

Thread: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

  1. #81
    Sage
    jamesrage's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A place where common sense exists
    Last Seen
    12-10-17 @ 09:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    31,067

    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What if the patient is suicidal and asking about firearms is to assess access to the means by which they may off themselves?
    If its a quack/shrink with a nut case and or suicidal patient then it is relevant for that "doctor" to ask his or her patient if they got knives,guns,dangerous medication and anything else that nutcase and or suicidal person might use to kill themselves.


    Private practitioners in non-emergency situations should be allowed to deny service for whatever reason. It's their labor, not yours.
    So they should be allowed to deny you service if you support gay marriage, voted for a president they didn't like, support interracial marriages and so on?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

  2. #82
    Sage
    Ikari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 01:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    54,124

    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I thought a Libertarian view would be along the lines of 'if it neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg, I don't care....' How is this statement even close to a Libertarian view?
    It was a question. Personally I don't care if someone wants to off themselves so long as they leave others out of it. But you said that there was no medical necessity to know if someone has guns. Yet if someone is suffering from depression or other mental/pschological diseases and could be suicidal; then knowing whether or not they have access to guns is indeed related to the medical treatment of that patient and is thus NOT unrelated. I was trying to see how one can argue to come to terms with that break in your logic.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Tell that to libs that back Obamacare. They with the legislation have conscripted docs into government service.

    j-mac
    That does not change my statement. Why is it deflect deflect deflect? "That's not libertarian" "blame it on the libs".
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

  3. #83
    Sage
    Ikari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 01:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    54,124

    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So they should be allowed to deny you service if you support gay marriage, voted for a president they didn't like, support interracial marriages and so on?
    I would say yes. Maybe they just don't like the cut of your jib. Private practitioners are a private business and they are selling their labor.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

  4. #84
    Tavern Bartender
    Constitutionalist
    American's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:03 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    76,301

    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    My response would be, if a doctor is actively turning away patients in need because they own guns, they should face some sort of penalty. I still see no purpose in a law barring people from asking questions.
    We all know it's obvious why they're asking. It's to discourage gun ownership. Anyone that tells you otherwise is full of ****.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

  5. #85
    Basketball Nerd
    StillBallin75's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Vilseck, Germany
    Last Seen
    12-10-17 @ 07:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    21,896

    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    We all know it's obvious why they're asking. It's to discourage gun ownership. Anyone that tells you otherwise is full of ****.
    Yes, because all doctors are out to get gun owners because it's their business. come on dude. We might as well pass a law barring ANYONE from asking questions about people's personal lives. How about this: if you don't like the question, DON'T ANSWER. It's that simple.
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 05-11-11 at 02:06 PM.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

  6. #86
    Global Moderator
    I'm a Jedi Master, Yo

    CaptainCourtesy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:38 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    152,692

    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    We all know it's obvious why they're asking. It's to discourage gun ownership. Anyone that tells you otherwise is full of ****.
    You are no mindreader. And your statement is absurd.
    "Never fear. Him is here" - Captain Chaos (Dom DeLuise), Cannonball Run

    ====||:-D

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

  7. #87
    Sage
    j-mac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    South Carolina
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 03:46 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    30,272

    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It was a question. Personally I don't care if someone wants to off themselves so long as they leave others out of it. But you said that there was no medical necessity to know if someone has guns. Yet if someone is suffering from depression or other mental/pschological diseases and could be suicidal; then knowing whether or not they have access to guns is indeed related to the medical treatment of that patient and is thus NOT unrelated. I was trying to see how one can argue to come to terms with that break in your logic.

    Break in MY logic? that's a good one....I guess in your extensive study of the Mentally ill, you haven't noticed yet that those suffering from depression, or suicidal thought are prone to lie about things like this...Well, I guess the next step then would be to break down their door and search their house in the name of keeping them safe eh?

    j-mac
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

    Alexis de Tocqueville

  8. #88
    Sage
    Ikari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 01:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    54,124

    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Break in MY logic? that's a good one....I guess in your extensive study of the Mentally ill, you haven't noticed yet that those suffering from depression, or suicidal thought are prone to lie about things like this...Well, I guess the next step then would be to break down their door and search their house in the name of keeping them safe eh?

    j-mac
    No, but it shouldn't stop the question from being asked, which seems to be the point of contention here. I've given you a valid medical reason as to why a doctor should be allowed to ask the question. Well I think it's a free country and a doctor should be able to ask any question anyway; but whatever. Some people seem to contend that idea as well.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

  9. #89
    Tavern Bartender
    Constitutionalist
    American's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:03 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    76,301

    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You are no mindreader. And your statement is absurd.
    No it's not, there is no other reason to ask.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

  10. #90
    Liberal Fascist For Life!


    Redress's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:51 PM
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    93,312
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No it's not, there is no other reason to ask.
    A number of reasons have been listed in this thread.
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

Page 9 of 15 FirstFirst ... 7891011 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •