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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    you mean like this?

    No, not even close....was this business owner compelled to post that sign by regulation or law?

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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Double Like. Yes, the liberal/conservative some-time reversal on this issue is interesting. I'm thinking that conservatives "for it" are concerned that information is being collected. Your point about Alzheimer's Disease (or other cognitive disorders) is an excellent one. Stupud law on so many levels.
    Yeah, libs are generally in favor of business regulation. However I find this one to be particularly paranoid and idiotic.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am concerned about supposed Libertarians in here thinking that it is perfectly acceptable for a doctor to ask you a question like this that has NOTHING to do with your physical.

    Why should we stop at gun ownership, why not just proceed to asking you who you voted for in the last election, then proceed to refuse to see you based on your political leaning.


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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    "Unrelated" is subjective.This law does not explicitly say anything about asking unrelated questions. It simply says that a doctor can't ask a patient if they have firearms.
    Asking a patient if they have a fire arm is a unrelated question.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    And some people think Obamacare is stupid.
    It is stupid.


    There are good laws, and there are stupid laws. What's your point? You must LOVE the three-day waiting period laws, right?
    I am pro-2nd amendment.So I am against any waiting period.



    Yes, both are stupid. A law that says you can't ask a certain question is okay? Are u frickin serious?
    The law doesn't have to specify exactly what questions can and can not be asked. The law can simply state that you may not ask unrelated questions as a precondition for goods and or service or that you may not deny service on a customer/patients refusal to answer. A suicidal nutcase seeing a shrink/quack it would be relevant for that shrink/quack to ask their patient if they have guns,knives,poisons, and possibly anything else that nutcase can try to off himself with.

    If the doctor doesn't need to know then he has no business asking.
    But yet doctors are asking.

    If the patient thinks its irrelevant it is within his/her rights to say "none ya business."

    Why the **** do we need a law making asking questions illegal?

    If doctors have no business asking, then they usually won't ask. If you are offended by the question, find another doctor.
    Doctor may refuse service, and the patient may be forced to see another doctor assuming that some medical organization or the government is not making all doctors ask all their patients these questions.Plus I do not like the idea of a back door firearm registry.



    Doctors, as a profession, aren't out to get gun owners.
    But their bosses,regulators, associations or who ever may be out to get gun owners.


    What problem is it that you have with drug tests and credit checks anyway?
    I have no problem with those things as long as they are actually relevant to the job.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Doctors shouldn't pry into patients personal life unless it has medical relevance. Generally speaking, there is nor reason to ask about guns, although CC did bring up a valid exception. I still think it is a bad idea to make it illegal to ask a question. A better approach would be to pull the medical license of a doctor who turns away patients simply because they won't answer unneeded personal questions.
    Wouldn't that kind of be like making a law that makes it illegal to ask unrelated/unneeded questions if it says they can lose their license for turning away patients who refuse to answer unneeded/unrelated questions?
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It is stupid.



    I am pro-2nd amendment.So I am against any waiting period.





    The law doesn't have to specify exactly what questions can and can not be asked. The law can simply state that you may not ask unrelated questions as a precondition for goods and or service or that you may not deny service on a customer/patients refusal to answer. A suicidal nutcase seeing a shrink/quack it would be relevant for that shrink/quack to ask their patient if they have guns,knives,poisons, and possibly anything else that nutcase can try to off himself with.



    But yet doctors are asking.



    Doctor may refuse service, and the patient may be forced to see another doctor assuming that some medical organization or the government is not making all doctors ask all their patients these questions.Plus I do not like the idea of a back door firearm registry.




    But their bosses,regulators, associations or who ever may be out to get gun owners.




    I have no problem with those things as long as they are actually relevant to the job.
    My response would be, if a doctor is actively turning away patients in need because they own guns, they should face some sort of penalty. I still see no purpose in a law barring people from asking questions.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Asking a patient if they have a fire arm is a unrelated question.
    What if the patient is suicidal and asking about firearms is to assess access to the means by which they may off themselves?

    Private practitioners in non-emergency situations should be allowed to deny service for whatever reason. It's their labor, not yours.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What if the patient is suicidal and asking about firearms is to assess access to the means by which they may off themselves?

    Private practitioners in non-emergency situations should be allowed to deny service for whatever reason. It's their labor, not yours.
    In Louisiana, if a patient is deemed suicidal, they can placed under and order of protective custody.

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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What if the patient is suicidal and asking about firearms is to assess access to the means by which they may off themselves?

    I thought a Libertarian view would be along the lines of 'if it neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg, I don't care....' How is this statement even close to a Libertarian view?

    Private practitioners in non-emergency situations should be allowed to deny service for whatever reason. It's their labor, not yours.
    Tell that to libs that back Obamacare. They with the legislation have conscripted docs into government service.

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