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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Here is a brief description of the bill:

    Privacy of Firearm Owners: Provides that licensed practitioner or facility may not record firearm ownership information in patient's medical record; provides exception; provides that unless information is relevant to patient's medical care or safety or safety of others, inquiries regarding firearm ownership or possession should not be made; provides exception for EMTS & paramedics; provides that patient may decline to provide information regarding ownership or possession of firearms; clarifies that physician's authority to choose patients is not altered; prohibits discrimination by licensed practitioners or facilities based solely on patient's firearm ownership or possession; prohibits harassment of patient regarding firearm ownership during examination; prohibits denial of insurance coverage, increased premiums, or other discrimination by insurance companies issuing policies on basis of insured's or applicant's ownership, possession, or storage of firearms or ammunition; clarifies that insurer is not prohibited from considering value of firearms or ammunition in setting personal property premiums; provides for disciplinary action.

    http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sectio...x?BillId=44993
    I am going to address specific points:

    provides that unless information is relevant to patient's medical care or safety or safety of others, inquiries regarding firearm ownership or possession should not be made
    In bold. If I practiced in Florida, there is my exception. If I deem my patient or another person's safety is in jeopardy, I can ask without concern for legal ramifications. The Florida legislature or the NRA has no say in whether or not I inquire under those circumstances.

    provides exception for EMTS & paramedics
    Good. Could be important.

    prohibits discrimination by licensed practitioners or facilities based solely on patient's firearm ownership or possession
    This completely contradicts this:

    clarifies that physician's authority to choose patients is not altered
    I have a big problem with the first statement. It DOES take away the right of a practitioner to choose who they will treat.

    Other than this one issue, I generally have no issue with the law. I think it's paranoid and pretty ridiculous/stupid, but if it gets passed, I don't see that it would create major problems.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Honestly, I see no reason as to why a medical provider shouldn't be able to ask that question, if it's on topic to the medical visit at end. To my knowledge, there's absolutely nothing they can do to me for not telling the truth.

    I see two ways that a patient could go with this:

    1. The flat-out denial:

    Dr: Do you have any firearms or ammunition present in your home?

    Pt: Nope, can we get back to addressing the gunshot wound in my thigh please.


    Personally, I'd like to get creative just to see the Dr's reaction.

    Dr: Do you have any firearms or ammunition present in your home?

    Me: Does the 50 cal. on the roof of my functional M1A1 Abrams count? ...or are you just concerned about the 120mm main cannon?
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Willie Orwontee View Post
    This has to do with pediatricians and a program devised by the American Academy of Pediatrics that asked and then advised about various dangers to youngsters in the home.

    The fear among gun right advocates was that this would be a backdoor registration, a formal recording of them as gun owners in their medical records. Second concern was about the medical record itself. That record is released by your doctor (with your permission) and reviewed for health care insurance and with the uncertainty of who will eventually be the masters of the database under the new health care law, it gives one pause about what's in your health record and who will be seeing it.

    Who can say what the ramifications would be of gun ownership under some future health regulatory scheme . . . given the effort of the medical community (and government entities) to categorize guns as a public health hazard?

    With the ingenuity of anti-gun activists (the cabal of the Brady Campaign, the AMA, AAP and leftists in government) these concerns do have some merit IMNSHO. Why have the public fight in the legislatures when you can get what you want with a health care Trojan Horse?
    ahh...ok that puts it in a much different light...thank you for that explanation

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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    There's been an issue with the, um, APA I think it was? Maybe it was the CDC...anyway... Telling doctors to ask their patients about their guns and other nosy questions as if it were health related.
    The AMA is behind this thing. They push doctors to inquire as part of your physical. It's irrelevant and none of their business.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Honestly, I see no reason as to why a medical provider shouldn't be able to ask that question, if it's on topic to the medical visit at end. To my knowledge, there's absolutely nothing they can do to me for not telling the truth.

    I see two ways that a patient could go with this:

    1. The flat-out denial:

    Dr: Do you have any firearms or ammunition present in your home?

    Pt: Nope, can we get back to addressing the gunshot wound in my thigh please.


    Personally, I'd like to get creative just to see the Dr's reaction.

    Dr: Do you have any firearms or ammunition present in your home?

    Me: Does the 50 cal. on the roof of functional my M1A1 Abrams count? ...or are you just concerned about the 120mm main cannon?
    How about, "Doctor, did you know my grandmother was raped by a burglar and my grandfather didn't have the means to stop it?"
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Since I live in Florida and this will effect me I think the bill is much too limited in scope. We need to forbid him asking whether or not I have heroin, uranium, cyanide, knives, sledgehammers, blow up dolls, and power saws in my home too. I am sure there are more many more that should be on that list though, so just to be safe we need to ban the doctors from asking anything.

    Or we can just not make stupid laws that waste everyone's time, there should be no laws to prohibit the doctors to ask, just as their are no laws to force anyone to answer.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I'm not the most pro-2nd Amendment member on this board.

    However. Why the **** does a doctor need to know about your guns and ammo?
    That's so the Libbo Dems can use Obamacare to take away our gun rights.

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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    I am concerned about supposed Libertarians in here thinking that it is perfectly acceptable for a doctor to ask you a question like this that has NOTHING to do with your physical.

    Why should we stop at gun ownership, why not just proceed to asking you who you voted for in the last election, then proceed to refuse to see you based on your political leaning.


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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am concerned about supposed Libertarians in here thinking that it is perfectly acceptable for a doctor to ask you a question like this that has NOTHING to do with your physical.

    Why should we stop at gun ownership, why not just proceed to asking you who you voted for in the last election, then proceed to refuse to see you based on your political leaning.


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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    From what I understand this is the issue.

    The bill is aimed primarily at pediatricians. The AMA encourages them to ask children during physicals about various safety issues, such as their activities with bikes or around a pool. They do this apparently as an effort to reduce accidents and promote safety. The issue however is that when it comes to guns, generally rather than talking about safetly handling or storing the gun they take the tact guns are bad, guns are dangerous, and the kid should avoid using or being around them. This is a significantly different tact than with other "safety" related questioning, as they're not generally suggesting to kids that pools are bad or bikes are bad and they should be avoiding those things because accidents can happen there.

    I'm somewhat conflicted here. On one side, this is a private business and I don't think that the government should be telling them what they can't or can do. On the flip side, I don't think this is a physicians place to doing and if this is pushed by the AMA it severly lowers the chance of finding a doctor not doing it since they have a pseudo-monopoly. Still, I'm sure you could find a doctor that, if asking about Guns, does so in a more safety related way then "guns are bad" sort of way...it'd just likely be difficult.

    Its one of those issues where...I absolutely agree, a Doctor has no business giving that sort of advise to a child since he's essentially an authority figure, but I'm not sure if its really the governments role to tell him "no, you can't do that".

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