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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    I live in florida and Im pro guns...Im legal to carry concealed through federal law regarding retired police...but Im not getting the purpose of this law...why would I care if my doctor <who never has> asks me if I carry a gun ? I dont get it

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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    This has to do with pediatricians and a program devised by the American Academy of Pediatrics that asked and then advised about various dangers to youngsters in the home.

    The fear among gun right advocates was that this would be a backdoor registration, a formal recording of them as gun owners in their medical records. Second concern was about the medical record itself. That record is released by your doctor (with your permission) and reviewed for health care insurance and with the uncertainty of who will eventually be the masters of the database under the new health care law, it gives one pause about what's in your health record and who will be seeing it.

    Who can say what the ramifications would be of gun ownership under some future health regulatory scheme . . . given the effort of the medical community (and government entities) to categorize guns as a public health hazard?

    With the ingenuity of anti-gun activists (the cabal of the Brady Campaign, the AMA, AAP and leftists in government) these concerns do have some merit IMNSHO. Why have the public fight in the legislatures when you can get what you want with a health care Trojan Horse?

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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Doctors shouldn't pry into patients personal life unless it has medical relevance. Generally speaking, there is nor reason to ask about guns, although CC did bring up a valid exception. I still think it is a bad idea to make it illegal to ask a question. A better approach would be to pull the medical license of a doctor who turns away patients simply because they won't answer unneeded personal questions.

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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Was this proposed bill due to one single incident?

    This just appears to be way overreaction and perhaps the politician just wants to prove he is more pro-gun that future opponents. Politics as usual.

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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    What if the doctor wants to know how many pellets were in the shotgun shell as he's digging them out of the owner's rear end?

    It's the First damn Amendment. agreed, it's almost always an irrelevant question, about the guns the patient has, but what if the doctor wants to add to his collection?

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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That may be the case, but less it's a medical emergency I think a private practicioner can choose to see or not see anyone he wants for whatever reason he wants.
    What if the doctor refuses to perform the abortion because the rape victim bought a .357 after her assault?

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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    If I have a patient who is suicidal, ethically and legally I need to ask them about their access to act on this suicidality. I always ask if their are guns or other weapons available.
    Do you also ask him about his knives, his neckties, his chain saw, his fifth floor condo, his proximity to the subway, his bath tubs and extention cords, his plastic bags, his brother's gun in his brother's house, his cars and the proliferation of freeway overpass columns, the gasoline in his car and his matches?

    Are you doing your due diligence, or are you just asking about guns? Because when people suicide, they use the means available, and when there's no gun, they do something else. The possibilties are limited by man's imagination.

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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Do you also ask him about his knives, his neckties, his chain saw, his fifth floor condo, his proximity to the subway, his bath tubs and extention cords, his plastic bags, his brother's gun in his brother's house, his cars and the proliferation of freeway overpass columns, the gasoline in his car and his matches?

    Are you doing your due diligence, or are you just asking about guns? Because when people suicide, they use the means available, and when there's no gun, they do something else. The possibilties are limited by man's imagination.
    I ask about anything that I think is reasonable to assume that the individual would use to harm themselves. Guns, knives, and poisons/medications are at the top of my list, but depending on the patient, I would ask other questions. Whether they intend to drive is one, since I've had several that have threatened to drive their car into a tree.

    In the situation that I am discussing there is a legitimate reason to ask about access to firearms. Since this is a danger to the individual... or perhaps another, this law would not apply to me and I could ask about one's gun ownership to my heart's content. If I suspect suicidality and the person refuses to answer, I can have them hospitalized as a danger to themselves.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    What I find odd about this is how it is kinda turning some people away from their supposed ideal. Liberals are arguing against a business legislation(some, not all), while conservatives are arguing for a more restrictive business regulation(again, some, not all).

    Without seeing the actual language of the bill, I cannot really judge it. Would a doctor or nurse making housecalls be able to ask(I think they should be able to at least ask)? How about a psychiatrist(yes, they are doctors) dealing with a suicidal patient as CC suggests(again, they should be able to)? I would have no problem with the bill, as long as there is some sort of common sense exceptions to it. There are times it would be reasonable for a doctor to ask. Another example: dealing with patients either on meds that affect judgement, or with Alzheimer or related issues that degrade judgement. I could see in those cases it being very worthwhile for a doctor to ask.
    Double Like. Yes, the liberal/conservative some-time reversal on this issue is interesting. I'm thinking that conservatives "for it" are concerned that information is being collected. Your point about Alzheimer's Disease (or other cognitive disorders) is an excellent one. Stupud law on so many levels.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Willie Orwontee View Post
    This has to do with pediatricians and a program devised by the American Academy of Pediatrics that asked and then advised about various dangers to youngsters in the home.

    The fear among gun right advocates was that this would be a backdoor registration, a formal recording of them as gun owners in their medical records. Second concern was about the medical record itself. That record is released by your doctor (with your permission) and reviewed for health care insurance and with the uncertainty of who will eventually be the masters of the database under the new health care law, it gives one pause about what's in your health record and who will be seeing it.

    Who can say what the ramifications would be of gun ownership under some future health regulatory scheme . . . given the effort of the medical community (and government entities) to categorize guns as a public health hazard?

    With the ingenuity of anti-gun activists (the cabal of the Brady Campaign, the AMA, AAP and leftists in government) these concerns do have some merit IMNSHO. Why have the public fight in the legislatures when you can get what you want with a health care Trojan Horse?
    You been asked about firearms reguarly by physicians through your life that you feel we need another law?

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