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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    There are disorders where people eat strange things. I'm not sure about bullets, but I suppose it could be possible.

    I was thinking more along the lines of someone who was doing a lot of reloading and/or casting their own bullets and wasn't cautious about ventilation or washing their hands afterward.
    I have reloaded at least a half million rounds of pistol and shotgun ammo, i get tested for lead every year and am below normal readings. most pistol bullets have a wax coating (lubricant) that keeps lead from actually getting on you

    shotguns-you don't touch the lead. the main thing is not to be eating stuff while reloading.

    poorly ventilated ranges can cause some issues as well. OSHA shut down a lot of NG and college ranges in the 60's and 70's based on ventilation



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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    It just seems like a stupid law IMO.
    I am sure people thought the same thing about drunk driving,texting or talking on the phone while driving, jay walking, speeding all sorts of other laws were stupid too.


    What would be the penalty for asking such a question? A fine? Jail time?
    A fine. Perhaps a license revoked depending on the profession for multiple offenses.

    Should cops be diverted away from more pressing matters in order to enforce such a law?
    If people file a complaint then it would not take a plain clothes police officer that long to stop by the business in question.

    James - I already told you I'm not one of the most pro-gun people here, but I do think the doctor, under most circumstances, shouldn't be prying about firearms. That being said, this law just sounds stupid to me.
    So you think doctors prying into stuff that is none of their business is a bad thing but a law that explicitly says they can't ask unrelated questions is a bad thing? I have to wonder if that is you not so pro-gun side talking.

    The thing about stuff like doctors asking unrelated questions is that is has a chance of spreading,so that it would not matter who you went to. Its like drug tests,credit checks and a lot of stuff. At first only a few companies did these things and a lot of people were like if you don't like it then you can find another job,then more and more companies started to doing it as well,so unless you want some ****ty job that pays under the table then you pretty much have to submit to a piss test of the possibility of a piss test as well as credit checks and many other things. There is also the possibility that they are doing this as a means of building a back door firearms registry just like what they are going when they take your baby's dna sample and store it.

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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So you think doctors prying into stuff that is none of their business is a bad thing but a law that explicitly says they can't ask unrelated questions is a bad thing?
    "Unrelated" is subjective. This law does not explicitly say anything about asking unrelated questions. It simply says that a doctor can't ask a patient if they have firearms.

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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    shotguns-you don't touch the lead. the main thing is not to be eating stuff while reloading.
    Wait...there are people actually dumb enough to each while reloading ammo?

    Never mind, I can think of some who are that dumb....good lord.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    What I find odd about this is how it is kinda turning some people away from their supposed ideal. Liberals are arguing against a business legislation(some, not all), while conservatives are arguing for a more restrictive business regulation(again, some, not all).

    Without seeing the actual language of the bill, I cannot really judge it. Would a doctor or nurse making housecalls be able to ask(I think they should be able to at least ask)? How about a psychiatrist(yes, they are doctors) dealing with a suicidal patient as CC suggests(again, they should be able to)? I would have no problem with the bill, as long as there is some sort of common sense exceptions to it. There are times it would be reasonable for a doctor to ask. Another example: dealing with patients either on meds that affect judgement, or with Alzheimer or related issues that degrade judgement. I could see in those cases it being very worthwhile for a doctor to ask.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am sure people thought the same thing about drunk driving,texting or talking on the phone while driving, jay walking, speeding all sorts of other laws were stupid too.
    And some people think Obamacare is stupid. There are good laws, and there are stupid laws. What's your point? You must LOVE the three-day waiting period laws, right?


    So you think doctors prying into stuff that is none of their business is a bad thing but a law that explicitly says they can't ask unrelated questions is a bad thing? I have to wonder if that is you not so pro-gun side talking.
    Yes, both are stupid. A law that says you can't ask a certain question is okay? Are u frickin serious? If the doctor doesn't need to know then he has no business asking. If the patient thinks its irrelevant it is within his/her rights to say "none ya business." Why the **** do we need a law making asking questions illegal? I've already given you my views on the firearm registration.

    The thing about stuff like doctors asking unrelated questions is that is has a chance of spreading,so that it would not matter who you went to. Its like drug tests,credit checks and a lot of stuff. At first only a few companies did these things and a lot of people were like if you don't like it then you can find another job,then more and more companies started to doing it as well,so unless you want some ****ty job that pays under the table then you pretty much have to submit to a piss test of the possibility of a piss test as well as credit checks and many other things. There is also the possibility that they are doing this as a means of building a back door firearms registry just like what they are going when they take your baby's dna sample and store it.

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    If doctors have no business asking, then they usually won't ask. If you are offended by the question, find another doctor. Doctors, as a profession, aren't out to get gun owners. What problem is it that you have with drug tests and credit checks anyway?
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am sure people thought the same thing about drunk driving,texting or talking on the phone while driving, jay walking, speeding all sorts of other laws were stupid too.
    You are actually equating a law from preventing a doctor asking a question to drunk driving?

    From the country that allows a stupid bimbo getting spilled with hot coffee while driving to win a lawsuit.

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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    If I have a patient who is suicidal, ethically and legally I need to ask them about their access to act on this suicidality. I always ask if their are guns or other weapons available.
    Wouldn't that also extend to, say, a patient with injuries that appear to be the result of abuse or domestic violence? A law that takes away any physician or psychiatrist ability to inquire when there is a medical suspicion the patient may be in danger seems to be poorly thought out.

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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    So far, it appears that one doctor asked a question, and it could be that he was right to ask....we don't know both sides of the story.
    However, not a year goes by we don't hear about some dumbass leaving a loaded gun lying around, a kid gets ahold of it, some other kid gets shot....
    People who can't be responsible with their guns shouldn't have them.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Wouldn't that also extend to, say, a patient with injuries that appear to be the result of abuse or domestic violence? A law that takes away any physician or psychiatrist ability to inquire when there is a medical suspicion the patient may be in danger seems to be poorly thought out.
    I just think any law banning people from ASKING QUESTIONS is kind of moronic. Looking into someone's private records is a somewhat different matter, but asking questions is just ****ing asking questions, what's the big deal?
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