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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    This law has nothing to do with "what a doctor can ask a patient about their NON MEDICAL PRIVATE LIVES. And everything to do with it being against the law to specifically ask if they own guns.
    What does owning a gun have to do with a patients non-medical private life? nothing.

    If the part of a patients life the doctor asks a question about has nothing to do with their health, the doctor has no right to that information. This simply makes that the law... that the doctor has no right to the information since it has nothing to do with the patients medical condition, history, etc.

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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    What does owning a gun have to do with a patients non-medical private life? nothing.

    If the part of a patients life the doctor asks a question about has nothing to do with their health, the doctor has no right to that information. This simply makes that the law... that the doctor has no right to the information since it has nothing to do with the patients medical condition, history, etc.
    The cashier at McDonald's has no right to ask me about my sex life. It is irrelevant to the service he/she is providing me. Should that be banned as well?
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    I can see this from both sides.

    For the most part, there's no reason for a doctor to be asking about the presence of guns or ammunition in the patient's home. And personally, I think that the doctor telling the woman to find another physician because she wouldn't answer his questions was out of line.

    On the other hand, making it illegal seems like it's going a little too far.

    There could be some very rare but legitimate cases where it might actually be relevant. Maybe if the patient was showing signs of lead poisoning?

    And to be quite honest, it just seems unnecessary. If it goes so far that your doctor won't see you anymore because you won't answer questions about whether you own guns, maybe it's just a sign that you need to find another doctor. One that isn't a nosy prick.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    What does owning a gun have to do with a patients non-medical private life? nothing.

    If the part of a patients life the doctor asks a question about has nothing to do with their health, the doctor has no right to that information. This simply makes that the law... that the doctor has no right to the information since it has nothing to do with the patients medical condition, history, etc.
    What do you mean, he "has no right to that information?" Read StillBallin's post. Should we have laws about what questions someone should ask? I think this is a most liberal position for a conservative to take. I'm very surprised. Can you say Nanny State? Oh, wait! I see a conservative position there -- less information is better. Yes, I agree with that. But by the same token, we don't need laws for those things. That's my conservative position, anyway.

    Read CC's post. He's a psychologist/counsellor/psychiatrist ?. His post says that if he's working with a depressed patient, that's something he wants to know. A pediatrician asking that question (which is why this law was introduced) might want to alert his patient's mom that firearms are far more likely to kill a child than a burglar -- and give her some safety tips...tell her how inquisitive children are. Who knows??? It was a dumb question. And I don't agree with it, necessarily; but I still say that law is straight up stupid.

    @ Molten Dragon -- Exactly.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I can see this from both sides.

    For the most part, there's no reason for a doctor to be asking about the presence of guns or ammunition in the patient's home. And personally, I think that the doctor telling the woman to find another physician because she wouldn't answer his questions was out of line.

    On the other hand, making it illegal seems like it's going a little too far.

    There could be some very rare but legitimate cases where it might actually be relevant. Maybe if the patient was showing signs of lead poisoning?

    And to be quite honest, it just seems unnecessary. If it goes so far that your doctor won't see you anymore because you won't answer questions about whether you own guns, maybe it's just a sign that you need to find another doctor. One that isn't a nosy prick.
    Is there a disorder where the patient eats bullets for fun?
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Nothing I am aware of the make you answer question a doctor asks truthfully I don't think you are under oath when you go to the doctor.

    Now if you walk in with a gun shot wound the police will ask you all the needed questions.

    If your Doctor has this on display, change Doctors on the spot.

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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Nothing I am aware of the make you answer question a doctor asks truthfully I don't think you are under oath when you go to the doctor.

    Now if you walk in with a gun shot wound the police will ask you all the needed questions.

    If your Doctor has this on display, change Doctors on the spot.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The cashier at McDonald's has no right to ask me about my sex life. It is irrelevant to the service he/she is providing me. Should that be banned as well?
    A law banning companies,businesses and etc from asking questions about a customers personal life that have nothing to do with the service they are trying to receive? Sure. Big brother by companies is just as wrong as the federal government doing.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A law banning companies from asking non-related questions about their personal life? Sure.
    It just seems like a stupid law IMO. What would be the penalty for asking such a question? A fine? Jail time? Should cops be diverted away from more pressing matters in order to enforce such a law?

    James - I already told you I'm not one of the most pro-gun people here, but I do think the doctor, under most circumstances, shouldn't be prying about firearms. That being said, this law just sounds stupid to me.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Is there a disorder where the patient eats bullets for fun?
    There are disorders where people eat strange things. I'm not sure about bullets, but I suppose it could be possible.

    I was thinking more along the lines of someone who was doing a lot of reloading and/or casting their own bullets and wasn't cautious about ventilation or washing their hands afterward.
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