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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    If I have a patient who is suicidal, ethically and legally I need to ask them about their access to act on this suicidality. I always ask if their are guns or other weapons available.
    I think the bill is referring to real doctors not quacks or shrinks.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Blah blah blah, guns have nothing to do, blah blah blah. What the **** do you think you were doing? I said "a private practitioner can choose to see or not see anyone he wants for whatever reason he wants". You wanted to know where you even implied differently. Yet here you are once again bitching that this isn't proper for the physician to do. Well WTF is it then? Make up your mind. Do they have the right to see or not see anyone for whatever reason or is he restricted in what he can ask and what he can refuse? Do you support the law? If so, then you most certainly not only imply but endorse the restriction of the private practitioners from denying service to whomever they want for whatever reason they want.

    There was nothing wrong with him asking the question, nothing wrong with telling the potiential client to find a new doctor. End of story.
    lighten up... get a grip... etc.

    This has NOTHING to do with who a doctor treats...it has EVERYTHING to do with what a doctor can ask a patient about their NON MEDICAL PRIVATES LIVES.

    If you want to read something else into it, that is on you.

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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    lighten up... get a grip... etc.

    This has NOTHING to do with who a doctor treats...it has EVERYTHING to do with what a doctor can ask a patient about their NON MEDICAL PRIVATES LIVES.

    If you want to read something else into it, that is on you.
    Alright, I DO think it's kind strange for a doctor to ask about firearms in the house. But I see no need to pass a LAW BANNING it. What's wrong with just saying "none of your business?" Why does there actually have to be a ban on asking such a question?
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Alright, I DO think it's kind strange for a doctor to ask about firearms in the house. But I see no need to pass a LAW BANNING it. What's wrong with just saying "none of your business?" Why does there actually have to be a ban on asking such a question?
    A back door fire arm registry and maybe this scenario playing out-

    Doctor: Do you have firearms and or ammunition?
    Patient: None of your damn business.
    Doctor: Then I can't provide you with any medical service.
    Patient: Fine I will go to a doctor who doesn't stick their nose into my personal business.
    Doctor: Good luck, They might be more expensive that me and or all doctors are now asking about your firearms.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    back door fire arm registry and this scenario

    Doctor: Do you have firearms and or ammunition?
    Patient: None of your damn business.
    Doctor: Then I can't provide you with any medical service.
    Patient: Fine I will go to a doctor who doesn't stick their nose into my personal business.
    Doctor: Good luck, They might be more expensive that me and or all doctors are now asking about your firearms.
    Backdoor firearms registry - how accurate would such data be without actual verification? Don't think the Feds necessarily want to trust info given only verbally. Plus if I were a doctor it'd be a pain in the ass to do this for the government. I'm a doctor, not an ATF agent.

    As for the second situation - I pretty much agree with Ikari. If you own a private medical practice, it's your business who you want to cater to and who you don't. If you turn away a potential customer because he owns some guns, I might think that that individual is dumb for turning away good business, but it's perfectly within his rights to do so. The patient could go find another doc if he wanted, it's all about competition right?
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Alright, I DO think it's kind strange for a doctor to ask about firearms in the house. But I see no need to pass a LAW BANNING it. What's wrong with just saying "none of your business?" Why does there actually have to be a ban on asking such a question?
    Because Big Brother wants a law for every aspect of your life.
    A patient does not have to answer the question if they so desire. A doctor's visit is not a court hearing.

    How many here have ever had a doctor ask you if you own a firearm?

    Perhaps in a case where a doctor expects some mental problems and/or potential mental altering drugs it may be appropriate to ask if they own a firearm. As an example would be the VT shooter.

    I just find it ridiculous we need another law in our lives.

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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Backdoor firearms registry - how accurate would such data be without actual verification? Don't think the Feds necessarily want to trust info given only verbally. Plus if I were a doctor it'd be a pain in the ass to do this for the government. I'm a doctor, not an ATF agent.
    They have to call police over gunshots and doctors are not police,so why not other things?


    As for the second situation - I pretty much agree with Ikari. If you own a private medical practice, it's your business who you want to cater to and who you don't. If you turn away a potential customer because he owns some guns, I might think that that individual is dumb for turning away good business, but it's perfectly within his rights to do so. The patient could go find another doc if he wanted, it's all about competition right?
    What if he is not the only doctor asking questions like this?
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    They have to call police over gunshots and doctors are not police,so why not other things?




    What if he is not the only doctor asking questions like this?
    Then the individual should just move elsewhere because they live in an area where none of the doctors have any business sense, which means they likely have little sense whatsoever.
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 05-10-11 at 10:26 PM.
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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    lighten up... get a grip... etc.

    This has NOTHING to do with who a doctor treats...it has EVERYTHING to do with what a doctor can ask a patient about their NON MEDICAL PRIVATES LIVES.

    If you want to read something else into it, that is on you.
    This law has nothing to do with "what a doctor can ask a patient about their NON MEDICAL PRIVATE LIVES. And everything to do with it being against the law to specifically ask if they own guns. The law's stupid. Ridiculous. But it's not about restricting doctors from asking about your personal life -- just about gun ownership.

    In my opinion, a patient's personal life is fair game to a physician -- up to the point the patient says, "**** off." I have a friend whose doctor refused to treat her as a regular patient because she drinks colloidal silver and takes herbal potions. She happened to share that information and the doctor told her to **** off. Heavy drinker? Smoke? Use drugs? Have indiscriminate sex? I'd consider those questions a doctor might want to know about. On all but one, I'd tell my doctor to **** off. But I can understand why he/she would ask.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns - FoxNews.com





    I do not own a gun. However, I am actually a card carrying NRA member and I support fair and sensible gun ownership rights. I also support fair and sensible restrictions on gun ownership. The two positions are not mutually exclusive.

    Having said that, I have no idea why a physician should have anything to do with gun safety. A physicians job is to medically treat their patients... not check on the safety of any weapons in the home.
    NRA has gone downhill the last few years. If you want to support the Second Amendment, try GOA. IMHO, they are a better organization.
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