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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Wouldn't that be in violation of their oath that they take? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of being a doctor to begin wtih - if someone doesn't actually want to help people then why bother going through med school to learn how ot help people.

    the only thing that's my dr's business is my health and health related issues - I don't own a firearm now, but when I did it still wasn't their business. Just the same as it's not their concern that I read books late at night or slouch while i sit at the computer.
    No, it's not in violation of the doctor's oath to not treat absolutely every person they ever encounter.

    Home safety is a health concern for your children. Are you offended if the doctor asks if your bottles of pills are kept out of reach?

    You understand that the slouching and reading late are also health issues, right? I mean seriously, what the hell? Your eyes and back aren't potential health issues?
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Neither of which is relevant to this case about doctors asking about guns in the home.
    It's AMA policy, that's what these doctors follow.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

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    Listing reasons doesn't make them legitimate.
    True. But not being able to refute them DOES. And since you can't, they are.

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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    True. But not being able to refute them DOES. And since you can't, they are.

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    That's your personal opinion. There is no relationship between a gun and a physical. You just want to nosey into everyone life, that's all it is. And you want to push an agenda. I don't have to refute it, it's plainly obvious to any reasonable person, and you have a conflict of interest in the matter.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's your personal opinion. There is no relationship between a gun and a physical. You just want to nosey into everyone life, that's all it is. And you want to push an agenda. I don't have to refute it, it's plainly obvious to any reasonable person, and you have a conflict of interest in the matter.
    You are making a supposition that the only reason why a physician would ask about gun ownership is to push an agenda. That is absurd for two reasons:

    1) It assumes that all doctors who ask about guns are doing so solely because they are anti-gun... a pretty ridiculous and paranoid position
    2) It fails to accept the exceptions, such as what I presented... a suicidal patient, with a physician trying to determine if that patient has means to kill themselves.

    This is why your position is absurd. You failed to recognize that the two above positions make it invalid.

    And yeah, you do have to refute it. You claim I'm wrong. Prove it. If not, then you have nothing.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    instead of them saying "do you have any firearms in the house? yes? in that case you should follow these safety guidelines..."

    they could say "if you have any firearms in the house, you should follow these safety guidelines...."

    simple. problem solved.

    this is hardly a bad thing.


    "We're not against guns, per se. What we're concerned about is proper storage and handling of firearms," said Louis St. Petery, MD, executive vice president of the Florida chapter of the American Academy of Pediatrics.

    The measure is partly a reaction to American Academy of Pediatrics guidelines encouraging physicians to talk to parents about protecting children from preventable accidents. This includes the use of booster seats in cars, swimming pool safety and proper gun storage.

    Dr. Sege helped develop the AAP's Connected Kids clinical guide, which advises physicians to begin talking about safe gun storage to parents of 6- to 9-month-old children. The AAP also advises parents with guns to store them unloaded and locked, with a separate lock on the trigger.


    amednews: Physicians, gun owners tangle over Florida 'don't ask' gun bill :: Jan. 31, 2011
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    instead of them saying "do you have any firearms in the house? yes? in that case you should follow these safety guidelines..."

    they could say "if you have any firearms in the house, you should follow these safety guidelines...."
    simple. problem solved.

    this is hardly a bad thing.


    "We're not against guns, per se. What we're concerned about is proper storage and handling of firearms," said Louis St. Petery, MD, executive vice president of the Florida chapter of the American Academy of Pediatrics.

    The measure is partly a reaction to American Academy of Pediatrics guidelines encouraging physicians to talk to parents about protecting children from preventable accidents. This includes the use of booster seats in cars, swimming pool safety and proper gun storage.

    Dr. Sege helped develop the AAP's Connected Kids clinical guide, which advises physicians to begin talking about safe gun storage to parents of 6- to 9-month-old children. The AAP also advises parents with guns to store them unloaded and locked, with a separate lock on the trigger.


    amednews: Physicians, gun owners tangle over Florida 'don't ask' gun bill :: Jan. 31, 2011
    This would be better, but I still fail to see the strict healthcare relationship.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You are making a supposition that the only reason why a physician would ask about gun ownership is to push an agenda. That is absurd for two reasons:

    1) It assumes that all doctors who ask about guns are doing so solely because they are anti-gun... a pretty ridiculous and paranoid position
    2) It fails to accept the exceptions, such as what I presented... a suicidal patient, with a physician trying to determine if that patient has means to kill themselves.

    This is why your position is absurd. You failed to recognize that the two above positions make it invalid.

    And yeah, you do have to refute it. You claim I'm wrong. Prove it. If not, then you have nothing.
    Just as you claimed I'm wrong. I don't have to explain common sense to you, otherwise we couldn't even have a basic conversation because then I'd have to prove that even sources are proven, and sources about sources are proven. Some things are understood. The AMA is against gun ownership, that's all that matters here.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This would be better, but I still fail to see the strict healthcare relationship.
    You don't see how a mishandled or poorly stored gun in the house could be a healthcare issue.

    Really.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Should they also make sure your oil change mileage is ok and check the tire pressure? Wouldn't want an auto 'accident'!

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