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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    I agree with the OP. However, I don't agree with the law being passed. If you are libertarian or conservative, you should believe that a person can offer their services to you or not, its their choice and the market should sort it out.

    This is why republicans aren't real free-market proponents.

    Edit: PS The Civil Rights Act, for me personally, is a thorny issues though. It was systemic in society that something had to be done or else racism would never have been subdued.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's so the Libbo Dems can use Obamacare to take away our gun rights.
    Once it becomes commonplace for "doctors" to ask about unrelated firearms, the next steps will be:

    Recording the answers. These will naturally be digitized and stored electronically.

    Then:

    Correlating the answers with state firearm registration databases.

    Then:

    arresting people with unregistered firearms.

    Finally:

    Confiscation.

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    Unconstitutional seatbelt check roadblocks were implemented. Another loss of freedom.

    Finally, not wearing a seatbelt has become in itself, a ticketable offense for which any tax collector can stop a vehicle and submit a tax bill.

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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I ask about anything that I think is reasonable to assume that the individual would use to harm themselves. Guns, knives, and poisons/medications are at the top of my list, but depending on the patient, I would ask other questions. Whether they intend to drive is one, since I've had several that have threatened to drive their car into a tree.

    In the situation that I am discussing there is a legitimate reason to ask about access to firearms. Since this is a danger to the individual... or perhaps another, this law would not apply to me and I could ask about one's gun ownership to my heart's content. If I suspect suicidality and the person refuses to answer, I can have them hospitalized as a danger to themselves.
    Just asking, is all. The Mayor worked in a place where some loser decided to tie a plastic bag over his head in the little room where NAS spec manuals were kept. Some poor secretary found him right after lunch.. The man had some serious determination. Too bad it wasn't applied to succeeding at life.

    The Mayor can certainly see the appropriateness of such questions in the mental health field.....even though patients lie all the time. Must be rough, that kind of job. For the record, the Mayor was not disagreeing with your position. But....is such a question appropriate for most circumstances an MD faces with his patients? Probably not.

    Then again, note that the Mayor respects the First Amendment, and the Second, too.

    It's not the questioning that's important, it's the potential of what can be done with the answers that presents the risk to freedom.

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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Just asking, is all. The Mayor worked in a place where some loser decided to tie a plastic bag over his head in the little room where NAS spec manuals were kept. Some poor secretary found him right after lunch.. The man had some serious determination. Too bad it wasn't applied to succeeding at life.

    The Mayor can certainly see the appropriateness of such questions in the mental health field.....even though patients lie all the time. Must be rough, that kind of job. For the record, the Mayor was not disagreeing with your position. But....is such a question appropriate for most circumstances an MD faces with his patients? Probably not.

    Then again, note that the Mayor respects the First Amendment, and the Second, too.

    It's not the questioning that's important, it's the potential of what can be done with the answers that presents the risk to freedom.
    The Captain also has respect for both the First and Second Amendments. And the Captain agrees that in most cases, asking this kind of question is inappropriate for MDs. Though this is true, the necessity of creating a law around it seems a bit over the top.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I love the idea of banning doctors from asking if you have a gun,hopefully they extend that other nosy people.
    1st and 2nd amendment at ends with each other? Since merely asking isn't a restriction I'd give the victory to the 1st, although I'd agree there's no relevance to any medical problem unless the doctor is treating someone for a bullet wound.

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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Yes it is. It asks who you voted for and if you didn't vote his way to get lost.
    No, it's telling you if you voted a specific way to go elsewhere for services. As it is on the entry door to the office, there is no need for any conversation with the doctor or their staff. You either keep your political affiliations to yourself and continue to see the doctor (if his service is worth the offense) or you keep your poltiical affiliation and go elsewhere (if the offense is not worth the service). That would apply to people who voted McCain as well, for that matter. Perhaps they would be offended by that sign and decide not to see that doctor. Me personally? I'm going to assume he's not as thinly spread after posting it and I'll see him for the shorter waits.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Once it becomes commonplace for "doctors" to ask about unrelated firearms, the next steps will be:

    Recording the answers. These will naturally be digitized and stored electronically.

    Then:

    Correlating the answers with state firearm registration databases.

    Then:

    arresting people with unregistered firearms.

    Finally:

    Confiscation.

    Don't believe the Mayor?

    Seat belts were optional.

    Seat belts became mandatory equipment.

    Wearing seat belts became a matter for start-interlocks, and later, alarms.

    Wearing seat belts became MANDATORY for all states seeking federal hgihway funds, subject to possible tickets by state tax collectors when stopped for other reasons. (These tax collectors are called "cops" in the vernacular of the peasantry.)

    Unconstitutional seatbelt check roadblocks were implemented. Another loss of freedom.

    Finally, not wearing a seatbelt has become in itself, a ticketable offense for which any tax collector can stop a vehicle and submit a tax bill.
    How exactly does any of that harm you?
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This thread proves that conservatives are just fine with big government, just as long as its the sort of government interference they want.

    It's ok for the government to decide how your doctor can operate?

    Doctors routinely ask about home risk factors, especially pediatricians. Are your electrical sockets covered? Are dangerous/poisonous substances kept out of reach? Is there a gun in the home, and if so is it kept in a locked box or safe?

    The paranoia about "backdoor registration" is just absurd.

    If the question bothers you, don't ****ing answer it. But no, you'd rather run to the nanny state to get Big Brother Government to make sure the meanie doctor doesn't ask you a question that might bother you.
    Now, now, Duece. That's a mighty broad brush you're using to paint with there. I expected better from you.
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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    How exactly does any of that harm you?
    He's a rebel without a cause. He probably considers drunk driving laws an attack worthy of rebellion against freedom.

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    Re: Florida Bill Would Prohibit Doctors From Asking Patients About Their Guns

    Yet another example of so-called libertarians goose-stepping along with oppressive government. Does the mere mention of the word "gun" completely scramble all you hoplophiles' logical faculties?

    This isn't a gun rights issue. This is a free speech and medical privacy issue. The libertarian position is clear: the government should not interfere with a doctor and patient.
    Last edited by Guy Incognito; 05-12-11 at 11:13 AM.

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