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    Liberals in southern Arizona seek to form new state

    TUCSON, Arizona (Reuters) - A long-simmering movement by liberal stalwarts in southern Arizona to break away from the rest of the largely conservative state is at a boiling point as secession backers press to bring their longshot ambition to the forefront of Arizona politics.
    A group of lawyers from the Democratic stronghold of Tucson and surrounding Pima County have launched a petition drive seeking support for a November 2012 ballot question on whether the 48th state should be divided in two.
    The ultimate goal of the newly formed political action committee Start our State is to split Pima County off into what would become the nation's 51st state, tentatively dubbed Baja Arizona.
    Liberals in southern Arizona seek to form new state - Yahoo! News

    I can only... giggle at this one.
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    Re: Liberals in southern Arizona seek to form new state

    I heard about this on NPR yesterday lolz. To Baja Arizona!
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    Re: Liberals in southern Arizona seek to form new state

    I agree. The Sheriff Dupniks of the world.
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    Re: Liberals in southern Arizona seek to form new state

    The chances of this ever happening are very slim.

    The goofy Liberals have taken over California and it is now on the verge of becoming a Mexican State because of the massive influx of illegals and the Liberals wrecking not only the Economy, job, market, but they have driven our school system from being number one in the Nation to being number 49 just ahead of Mississippi in the last 35 years.

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    Re: Liberals in southern Arizona seek to form new state

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    The chances of this ever happening are very slim.

    The goofy Liberals have taken over California and it is now on the verge of becoming a Mexican State because of the massive influx of illegals and the Liberals wrecking not only the Economy, job, market, but they have driven our school system from being number one in the Nation to being number 49 just ahead of Mississippi in the last 35 years.
    Mississippi, the most conservative state in the country, is ranked the worst in education--we know

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    Re: Liberals in southern Arizona seek to form new state

    I wonder what MrV had to say about Texas attempting to seccede...

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    While the thought of the State Seceding is silly, it won't happen regardless what the Feds do. The demographics of the state for one have changed. The actual ability to do such is... not there and frankly...
    So far so good. It won't happen, he is right. What is the rest of his post on it.

    As a message by the people in protest, I'm down with that. I'd of waited for the SCOTUS to rule on Obamacare. If that's ruled "constitutional" then they'd have a lot more ammo.
    So what we learn today is when republicans do something, he is down with that, but when liberals do the same basic thing, he just giggles.
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    Re: Liberals in southern Arizona seek to form new state

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I wonder what MrV had to say about Texas attempting to seccede...



    So far so good. It won't happen, he is right. What is the rest of his post on it.



    So what we learn today is when republicans do something, he is down with that, but when liberals do the same basic thing, he just giggles.
    I did both. I guess that makes me a centrist hack.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Liberals in southern Arizona seek to form new state

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I wonder what MrV had to say about Texas attempting to seccede...



    So far so good. It won't happen, he is right. What is the rest of his post on it.



    So what we learn today is when republicans do something, he is down with that, but when liberals do the same basic thing, he just giggles.

    And once again, Redress, fails in the arena of "CONTEXT".

    Texas, seceding from the NATION does not equate to some luney lefties calling to split Arizona in half.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Liberals in southern Arizona seek to form new state

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    And once again, Redress, fails in the arena of "CONTEXT".

    Texas, seceding from the NATION does not equate to some luney lefties calling to split Arizona in half.
    You're correct. It equates to some loony conservatives calling for Texas to split from the United States because they were unhappy with the current administration, which was elected honestly by the majority of Americans. So I suppose the only word that Redress left out was "loony", because that's exactly what those who supported such an endeavor are - a bunch of loons.

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    Re: Liberals in southern Arizona seek to form new state

    They can't secede anyway.
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