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Liberals in southern Arizona seek to form new state

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TUCSON, Arizona (Reuters) - A long-simmering movement by liberal stalwarts in southern Arizona to break away from the rest of the largely conservative state is at a boiling point as secession backers press to bring their longshot ambition to the forefront of Arizona politics.
A group of lawyers from the Democratic stronghold of Tucson and surrounding Pima County have launched a petition drive seeking support for a November 2012 ballot question on whether the 48th state should be divided in two.
The ultimate goal of the newly formed political action committee Start our State is to split Pima County off into what would become the nation's 51st state, tentatively dubbed Baja Arizona.
Liberals in southern Arizona seek to form new state - Yahoo! News

I can only... giggle at this one.
 
I agree. The Sheriff Dupniks of the world.
 
The chances of this ever happening are very slim.

The goofy Liberals have taken over California and it is now on the verge of becoming a Mexican State because of the massive influx of illegals and the Liberals wrecking not only the Economy, job, market, but they have driven our school system from being number one in the Nation to being number 49 just ahead of Mississippi in the last 35 years.
 
The chances of this ever happening are very slim.

The goofy Liberals have taken over California and it is now on the verge of becoming a Mexican State because of the massive influx of illegals and the Liberals wrecking not only the Economy, job, market, but they have driven our school system from being number one in the Nation to being number 49 just ahead of Mississippi in the last 35 years.

Mississippi, the most conservative state in the country, is ranked the worst in education--we know :)
 
I wonder what MrV had to say about Texas attempting to seccede...

While the thought of the State Seceding is silly, it won't happen regardless what the Feds do. The demographics of the state for one have changed. The actual ability to do such is... not there and frankly...

So far so good. It won't happen, he is right. What is the rest of his post on it.

As a message by the people in protest, I'm down with that. I'd of waited for the SCOTUS to rule on Obamacare. If that's ruled "constitutional" then they'd have a lot more ammo.

So what we learn today is when republicans do something, he is down with that, but when liberals do the same basic thing, he just giggles.
 
I wonder what MrV had to say about Texas attempting to seccede...



So far so good. It won't happen, he is right. What is the rest of his post on it.



So what we learn today is when republicans do something, he is down with that, but when liberals do the same basic thing, he just giggles.

I did both. I guess that makes me a centrist hack.
 
I wonder what MrV had to say about Texas attempting to seccede...



So far so good. It won't happen, he is right. What is the rest of his post on it.



So what we learn today is when republicans do something, he is down with that, but when liberals do the same basic thing, he just giggles.


And once again, Redress, fails in the arena of "CONTEXT".

Texas, seceding from the NATION does not equate to some luney lefties calling to split Arizona in half.
 
And once again, Redress, fails in the arena of "CONTEXT".

Texas, seceding from the NATION does not equate to some luney lefties calling to split Arizona in half.

You're correct. It equates to some loony conservatives calling for Texas to split from the United States because they were unhappy with the current administration, which was elected honestly by the majority of Americans. So I suppose the only word that Redress left out was "loony", because that's exactly what those who supported such an endeavor are - a bunch of loons.
 
They can't secede anyway.
 
California, the long skinny state with dramatic differences between the north and south has been kicking around the idea of a split for as long as I can remember. They still haven't done it. I highly doubt that Arizona is going to split either.
 
You're correct. It equates to some loony conservatives calling for Texas to split from the United States because they were unhappy with the current administration, which was elected honestly by the majority of Americans. So I suppose the only word that Redress left out was "loony", because that's exactly what those who supported such an endeavor are - a bunch of loons.

Actually, the rumblings for secession started before Obama's election. They were probably loudest after, but he wasn't the impetus.
 
If the libs want the southern half of Arizona, I say let 'em have it. Conservative AZ can pull back their support at the border and the Libs and drug cartels can have it out to see who gets it.


Btw, my money would be on the cartels, since the liberals would probably be against arming anyone... :2razz:
 
Don't know enough about Arizona to know if its even plausible in an extreme sort of way.

I can say it would absolutely not shock me if at some point Northern Virginia splits from the rest of Virginia. Either as its own state, or having D.C. encompass it and actually set up the district was its own legitimized state. But the sharp difference between Northern Virginia and the rest of the state is stark. I don't think its highly likely, but its one split that would not shock me in the least if it occurs.
 
Don't know enough about Arizona to know if its even plausible in an extreme sort of way.

I can say it would absolutely not shock me if at some point Northern Virginia splits from the rest of Virginia. Either as its own state, or having D.C. encompass it and actually set up the district was its own legitimized state. But the sharp difference between Northern Virginia and the rest of the state is stark. I don't think its highly likely, but its one split that would not shock me in the least if it occurs.

It's not. Such a proposal would have to pass through the state legislature, and Congress. It's an entertaining thought, but it ain't gonna happen.
 
If the libs want the southern half of Arizona, I say let 'em have it. Conservative AZ can pull back their support at the border and the Libs and drug cartels can have it out to see who gets it.


Btw, my money would be on the cartels, since the liberals would probably be against arming anyone... :2razz:

What are you talking about TAA, the libs would just buy their product. Cartels don't kill off their best customers. :D
 
I guess I'll ask the obvious. Mr. V how does this action on the part of a few democrats in Tucson equate to the entire party? Bonus points if you don't use a generalization.
 
Actually, the rumblings for secession started before Obama's election. They were probably loudest after, but he wasn't the impetus.

It's based in the fact that Texas is the only state that has ever actually been its own country.

Plus, it has tons of land, oil, gas, coal, forest, a coast, the ability to grow all of its own food, and a host of military bases. And a high percentage of the U.S. military consists of Texans.

Texas is one state that really doesn't need the rest of the country. It gives a lot more than it gets from the other 49.
 
It's based in the fact that Texas is the only state that has ever actually been its own country.

Plus, it has tons of land, oil, gas, coal, forest, a coast, the ability to grow all of its own food, and a host of military bases. And a high percentage of the U.S. military consists of Texans.

Texas is one state that really doesn't need the rest of the country. It gives a lot more than it gets from the other 49.

A few years back I read an article that said Texas would have the 8th largest GPD in the world if it were its own country. I'm sure things have changed since then, but I though it was interesting.
 
I guess I'll ask the obvious. Mr. V how does this action on the part of a few democrats in Tucson equate to the entire party? Bonus points if you don't use a generalization.

I guess we'll have to send you a book on reading, cause I can't find wherein I implied it was a reflection on the entire Democrat Party.
 
Ok, I say carve out a portion of the US that liberals want to occupy, and cut em loose....Let's see how long that lasts before they come sniveling back.


j-mac
 
It's based in the fact that Texas is the only state that has ever actually been its own country.

Plus, it has tons of land, oil, gas, coal, forest, a coast, the ability to grow all of its own food, and a host of military bases. And a high percentage of the U.S. military consists of Texans.

Texas is one state that really doesn't need the rest of the country. It gives a lot more than it gets from the other 49.
TX also has fantastic deer and hog hunting. ;)

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Ok, I say carve out a portion of the US that liberals want to occupy, and cut em loose....Let's see how long that lasts before they come sniveling back.


j-mac

Here's how that would work...

So we divide up the country - libs on one side, conservatives on the other. Liberals invest in green energy, insure that the lowest wage-makers have access to adequate health care at an affordable price, and social freedoms are enjoyed equally by all. Women have access to safe abortions, homosexuals can get married, and all of this is secured by law. Folks can practice whatever religion they want, but ramming down people's throats is outlawed. On the down side, gun laws are stricter, but increased taxation provides better police protection. Entertainment is at an all time high, since the liberals kept Hollywood, but we graciously let NASCAR head to the conservative states. We kept all the other sports. Sorry about that.

Conservatives, on the other hand, quickly institute mandatory religion in schools, and do away with all colleges and institutes of higher learning. Those at the top encourage those at the bottom of the wage pool to accept their lot in life, and blindly support anyone making more money than them. Most housing is unaffordable; trailers outnumber every other domicile by a ratio of 10 to 1. Guns are allowed everywhere, and it's not uncommon to see day laborers with six guns strapped to their overalls Old West style. Christianity is the state religion, with all other religions being outlawed. Atheism is punishible by death, and homosexuality carries a fine of $10,000 per day until the offender seeks therapy to cure themselves.

Entertainment is horrible, although the conservatives seem to enjoy it. Country music and backwoods Appalachian gospel dominate the airwaves. Fashion is nonexistent, as no homosexual would dare come forth in such a police state to upgrade the 'plaid shirt and overall look'. The powers that be invest lots of money trying to make NASCAR an Olympic sport.

Most conservatives have tried to escape to liberal land, but unfortunately the wall that they built trying to keep liberals and immigrants out also prevents escape to the other side. Someone once proposed building a ladder, but with all the higher education facilities dismantled, conservatives forgot how. Fortunately Ted Nugent has opted to return to the conservative side of the country. We'll send one with him.
 
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