Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 37

Thread: Liberals in southern Arizona seek to form new state

  1. #11
    White trash on dope.
    d0gbreath's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Denton, TX
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    8,875

    Re: Liberals in southern Arizona seek to form new state

    California, the long skinny state with dramatic differences between the north and south has been kicking around the idea of a split for as long as I can remember. They still haven't done it. I highly doubt that Arizona is going to split either.
    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    The systems that ensure freedom and liberty are breaking down and fundamentalism is growing. Nobody is righteous anymore.


  2. #12
    Bring us a shrubbery!
    tessaesque's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Plano, Texas
    Last Seen
    11-09-17 @ 06:18 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    15,910

    Re: Liberals in southern Arizona seek to form new state

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    You're correct. It equates to some loony conservatives calling for Texas to split from the United States because they were unhappy with the current administration, which was elected honestly by the majority of Americans. So I suppose the only word that Redress left out was "loony", because that's exactly what those who supported such an endeavor are - a bunch of loons.
    Actually, the rumblings for secession started before Obama's election. They were probably loudest after, but he wasn't the impetus.
    "Hmmm...Can't decide if I want to watch "Four Houses" or give myself an Icy Hot pee hole enema..." - Blake Shelton


  3. #13
    Can't stop the signal...
    theangryamerican's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    The Wild West
    Last Seen
    07-29-13 @ 11:50 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    2,233

    Re: Liberals in southern Arizona seek to form new state

    If the libs want the southern half of Arizona, I say let 'em have it. Conservative AZ can pull back their support at the border and the Libs and drug cartels can have it out to see who gets it.


    Btw, my money would be on the cartels, since the liberals would probably be against arming anyone...
    "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it." - Judge Learned Hand

  4. #14
    Global Moderator
    Moderator

    Zyphlin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    NoMoAuchie
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    47,971

    Re: Liberals in southern Arizona seek to form new state

    Don't know enough about Arizona to know if its even plausible in an extreme sort of way.

    I can say it would absolutely not shock me if at some point Northern Virginia splits from the rest of Virginia. Either as its own state, or having D.C. encompass it and actually set up the district was its own legitimized state. But the sharp difference between Northern Virginia and the rest of the state is stark. I don't think its highly likely, but its one split that would not shock me in the least if it occurs.

  5. #15
    Basketball Nerd
    StillBallin75's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Vilseck, Germany
    Last Seen
    12-10-17 @ 07:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    21,896

    Re: Liberals in southern Arizona seek to form new state

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Don't know enough about Arizona to know if its even plausible in an extreme sort of way.

    I can say it would absolutely not shock me if at some point Northern Virginia splits from the rest of Virginia. Either as its own state, or having D.C. encompass it and actually set up the district was its own legitimized state. But the sharp difference between Northern Virginia and the rest of the state is stark. I don't think its highly likely, but its one split that would not shock me in the least if it occurs.
    It's not. Such a proposal would have to pass through the state legislature, and Congress. It's an entertaining thought, but it ain't gonna happen.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

  6. #16
    Basketball Nerd
    StillBallin75's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Vilseck, Germany
    Last Seen
    12-10-17 @ 07:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    21,896

    Re: Liberals in southern Arizona seek to form new state

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    If the libs want the southern half of Arizona, I say let 'em have it. Conservative AZ can pull back their support at the border and the Libs and drug cartels can have it out to see who gets it.


    Btw, my money would be on the cartels, since the liberals would probably be against arming anyone...
    What are you talking about TAA, the libs would just buy their product. Cartels don't kill off their best customers.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

  7. #17
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Ft. Campbell, KY
    Last Seen
    12-31-14 @ 08:37 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    12,177

    Re: Liberals in southern Arizona seek to form new state

    I guess I'll ask the obvious. Mr. V how does this action on the part of a few democrats in Tucson equate to the entire party? Bonus points if you don't use a generalization.

  8. #18
    Sage
    Erod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    North Texas
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:34 AM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    13,067

    Re: Liberals in southern Arizona seek to form new state

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Actually, the rumblings for secession started before Obama's election. They were probably loudest after, but he wasn't the impetus.
    It's based in the fact that Texas is the only state that has ever actually been its own country.

    Plus, it has tons of land, oil, gas, coal, forest, a coast, the ability to grow all of its own food, and a host of military bases. And a high percentage of the U.S. military consists of Texans.

    Texas is one state that really doesn't need the rest of the country. It gives a lot more than it gets from the other 49.

  9. #19
    Bring us a shrubbery!
    tessaesque's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Plano, Texas
    Last Seen
    11-09-17 @ 06:18 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    15,910

    Re: Liberals in southern Arizona seek to form new state

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    It's based in the fact that Texas is the only state that has ever actually been its own country.

    Plus, it has tons of land, oil, gas, coal, forest, a coast, the ability to grow all of its own food, and a host of military bases. And a high percentage of the U.S. military consists of Texans.

    Texas is one state that really doesn't need the rest of the country. It gives a lot more than it gets from the other 49.
    A few years back I read an article that said Texas would have the 8th largest GPD in the world if it were its own country. I'm sure things have changed since then, but I though it was interesting.
    "Hmmm...Can't decide if I want to watch "Four Houses" or give myself an Icy Hot pee hole enema..." - Blake Shelton


  10. #20
    Sage
    Renae's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    San Antonio Texas
    Last Seen
    10-23-17 @ 10:14 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    38,972
    Blog Entries
    15

    Re: Liberals in southern Arizona seek to form new state

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I guess I'll ask the obvious. Mr. V how does this action on the part of a few democrats in Tucson equate to the entire party? Bonus points if you don't use a generalization.
    I guess we'll have to send you a book on reading, cause I can't find wherein I implied it was a reflection on the entire Democrat Party.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •