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Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

TurtleDude said:
Keep training-LOL-I was a USPSA class A in 1987-back when Class A was top drawer, my percentages on classifiers would be GM level nowadays. I also held the Ohio (and probably national record but second chance fell apart) pin record-2.82 and 8.9 three table for years.
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1987? Ok

My dad started me at a very early age. He would make me shoot with guys who were faster and accurate while also being more consistent. Anybody can turn in a good lucky run, but the folk who do so consistently have mastered the shooting fundamentals and are executing them at a higher level. When confronted with other variables (shoot-no shoot, malfunctions, multiple threats), the greater amount of your skills and actions that you can delegate to muscle memory, the more fluid you will be

Quick q - Some random dude is having good hits, moving good and everything great. Both eyes open. And then he starts to noticed something. The front sight is sharp and clear and so is the target. At that point, he realizes his left eye is focused on the target and his right eye is focused on the front sight.

It wasn't something he was trying to do or did consciously, Possible to focus the eyes independently?

How to get this guy back on the right track?
 
deltabtry said:
Ok, hey don't get me wrong, just thinking like a father that's all and yes we can be a pain in the ass, that's my job.
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That's fine, but when we talk about the rights and liberties of the individual, I think we need to tread carefully and think things through logically. In all the Universities which currently allow guns on campus, there have been no problems. The simple fact is that the vast majority of students aren't going to carry a weapon anyway (well nothing beyond a knife). It's really a null factor, and as such I don't see the need to use government force against our free exercise of rights.

Recently, the Board of Directors at CSU (Colorado State University) wanted to redesignate CSU so that they could ban guns. There was a HUGE outcry by the student populace at large against the move and eventually the BoD dropped the plan and left the University conceal carry legal.
 
ric27 said:
1987? Ok

My dad started me at a very early age. He would make me shoot with guys who were faster and accurate while also being more consistent. Anybody can turn in a good lucky run, but the folk who do so consistently have mastered the shooting fundamentals and are executing them at a higher level. When confronted with other variables (shoot-no shoot, malfunctions, multiple threats), the greater amount of your skills and actions that you can delegate to muscle memory, the more fluid you will be

Quick q - Some random dude is having good hits, moving good and everything great. Both eyes open. And then he starts to noticed something. The front sight is sharp and clear and so is the target. At that point, he realizes his left eye is focused on the target and his right eye is focused on the front sight.

It wasn't something he was trying to do or did consciously, Possible to focus the eyes independently?

How to get this guy back on the right track?
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I have not encountered too many owls when I was a pro level shooter
 
TurtleDude said:
I have not encountered too many owls when I was a pro level shooter
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Apparently, he was focusing not on the target or the sight but on air 3/4 of the way to the target. This focus will result it a fairly crisp sight and target.

So, we started him at 5, 10 and 15 yards. Line up his sights and target with both eyes open. The focus is on the sight. One target and one sight.

Made him back up to 25 and further. Agian, line up the sight and target with both eyes open. Focus is on the sight. He will see 2 targets. This has to do with ocular deviation. We got him to change his focus to a imaginary point 1/2 to 3/4 of the way to the target....a fairly crisp sight and one target.

This technique can be used at any distance. It is fast and effective with practice.
 
So I just want to put this out there: Do they allow smoking? To be completely honest, I feel a lot safer having my neighbor smoke a cigarette than to think he's going to pull a gun on me.

One of these days, you know what's going to happen: Someone with a permit is going to walk into a public place that they're allowed to carry in, go nuts and open fire. It's inevitable that it will happen someday.
 
rocket88 said:
So I just want to put this out there: Do they allow smoking? To be completely honest, I feel a lot safer having my neighbor smoke a cigarette than to think he's going to pull a gun on me.

One of these days, you know what's going to happen: Someone with a permit is going to walk into a public place that they're allowed to carry in, go nuts and open fire. It's inevitable that it will happen someday.
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If one permit holder, out of millions, does this, does it repudiate the entire concept?

Permit holders have demonstrated themselves to be more law-abiding and less likely to "go off" than the general public. I've published the stats on this site innumerable times.
 
rocket88 said:
So I just want to put this out there: Do they allow smoking? To be completely honest, I feel a lot safer having my neighbor smoke a cigarette than to think he's going to pull a gun on me.

One of these days, you know what's going to happen: Someone with a permit is going to walk into a public place that they're allowed to carry in, go nuts and open fire. It's inevitable that it will happen someday.
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Just hope to God, I'm there because... he will go down
 
deltabtry said:
In all seriousness I think this isn't a good idea, there is a lot of drinking, smoking, screwing and emotions running at full speed on college campuses. I am all for the right to have a gun any gun, but let use some common sense here.
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Yes.

The commons sense says that since they're supposed to be adults they must be treated like adults.

If, as you claim, they can't be expected to behave like adults, then should we not Amend the Constitution and adjust the voting age to that age in which you're comfortable in treating them like adults?

What age would that be?
 
Goshin said:
If one permit holder, out of millions, does this, does it repudiate the entire concept?

Permit holders have demonstrated themselves to be more law-abiding and less likely to "go off" than the general public. I've published the stats on this site innumerable times.
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In the eyes of the leftists, yes.

But ten thousand broken condoms won't alter their view that wearing one during their routine anal probing makes them "safe".
 
Ikari said:
Universites and colleges for the most part are PUBLIC institutions. Private ones are more than free to choose whatever rules they want.
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Are restaurants free to deny service to anyone they want, regardless of race, religion, or national origin?

When other private establishments have their freedom to conduct their business as they see fit, as oppsed to this policy of government intrusiveness to protect rights that do not exist, then the Mayor will support the freedom of private universities to establish rules to deny rights that do exist.
 
rocket88 said:
One of these days, you know what's going to happen: Someone with a permit is going to walk into a public place that they're allowed to carry in, go nuts and open fire. It's inevitable that it will happen someday.
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And this will prove.... what?
 
rocket88 said:
So I just want to put this out there: Do they allow smoking? To be completely honest, I feel a lot safer having my neighbor smoke a cigarette than to think he's going to pull a gun on me.

One of these days, you know what's going to happen: Someone with a permit is going to walk into a public place that they're allowed to carry in, go nuts and open fire. It's inevitable that it will happen someday.
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I'm more afraid of seconhand smoke than I am of getting shot by a licensed carrier.
 
DashingAmerican said:
I'm more afraid of seconhand smoke than I am of getting shot by a licensed carrier.
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I've spent a LOT of time around HUNDREDS of CCW permit holders, while taking/conducting/assisting in classes. Haven't seen one have an accidental discharge yet.

When I was a cop, there was a huge flap one time because four cops in my dep't had AD's within a period of about four months.

Hmmm.... :mrgreen:
 
Goshin said:
If one permit holder, out of millions, does this, does it repudiate the entire concept?

Permit holders have demonstrated themselves to be more law-abiding and less likely to "go off" than the general public. I've published the stats on this site innumerable times.
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Sure it does, especially if you're a centrist.
 
DashingAmerican said:
I'm more afraid of seconhand smoke than I am of getting shot by a licensed carrier.
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I spend several days each year in the company of several hundred people, almost all cvilians, each actively using an 'assault weapon' for something other than their supposed 'sole purpose' of killing people. I'm FAR more concerned with second-hand smoke than these people and their rifles.
 
ric27 said:
Apparently, he was focusing not on the target or the sight but on air 3/4 of the way to the target. This focus will result it a fairly crisp sight and target.

So, we started him at 5, 10 and 15 yards. Line up his sights and target with both eyes open. The focus is on the sight. One target and one sight.

Made him back up to 25 and further. Agian, line up the sight and target with both eyes open. Focus is on the sight. He will see 2 targets. This has to do with ocular deviation. We got him to change his focus to a imaginary point 1/2 to 3/4 of the way to the target....a fairly crisp sight and one target.

This technique can be used at any distance. It is fast and effective with practice.
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George Quigley Jr, Former WR holder-ISU skeet, and 88 (alternate) 96 Olympic team had the same issue'

had to put a piece of tape on his left lens so as not to see two targets or gun barrels
 
TurtleDude said:
George Quigley Jr, Former WR holder-ISU skeet, and 88 (alternate) 96 Olympic team had the same issue'

had to put a piece of tape on his left lens so as not to see two targets or gun barrels
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He didn't have eyelids? He couldn't close his left eye while leaving his right eye relaxed?
 
PzKfW IVe said:
I spend several days each year in the company of several hundred people, almost all cvilians, each actively using an 'assault weapon' for something other than their supposed 'sole purpose' of killing people. I'm FAR more concerned with second-hand smoke than these people and their rifles.
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National Rifle Matches-Camp Perry Ohio?

Knob Creek MG shoot?
 
Mayor Snorkum said:
He didn't have eyelids? He couldn't close his left eye while leaving his right eye relaxed?
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you never want to close an eye-it causes strain on the other eye

ever shoot an ISU small bore rifle or a IAU or WCSA "field crossbow"

just about every one of those weapons has a blinder on the sight that blocks the non dominant eye for that reason

plus in ISU Skeet the target is not released when you call for it-its on a 0-3 second delay and we use our non dominant eye to pick up movement (if you are a RH shooter) out of the high house
 
Out around 20-25 yards you will see TWO targets. It has to do with ocular deviation. You gotta change your focus to a imaginary point 1/2 to 3/4 of the way to the target.

You will have a fairly crisp sight and one target. Some folks will have to close an eye at these distances.

The cue I use to change focus point is if I see 2 targets.

I'd recommend dry fire until you learn to do it right. You have to put the work in if you want to be good
 
ric27 said:
Out around 20-25 yards you will see TWO targets. It has to do with ocular deviation. You gotta change your focus to a imaginary point 1/2 to 3/4 of the way to the target.

You will have a fairly crisp sight and one target. Some folks will have to close an eye at these distances.

The cue I use to change focus point is if I see 2 targets.

I'd recommend dry fire until you learn to do it right. You have to put the work in if you want to be good
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I guess the part about being a USPSA GM would suggest i already know how to shoot pretty well

that and being Triple A across the board in Skeet?
 
PzKfW IVe said:
Camp Perry
Probably just the M1A shoot this year.
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cool-one day I will make it up there-too busy with other shooting competitions
 
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