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Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

A lot of things. There's nothing to steal really. There are statisitic that show schools are safer than the rest of society (and they've been linkerd), and let's face it a lot of mall workers don't want a lot of guns in the mall. ;)

Schools will be even safer when the people are no longer denied a basic Constitutional freedom.

Mall workers who object to law abiding citizens exercising their Constitutional freedom to keep and bear arms, they're under no compulsion to work there.
 
I can see why some are happy about this, and I do see it as a solution to the issue. I merely find it unfortunate that we have to have this discussion at all. Allowing people to hold arms is seemingly beneficial, but at the same time that is creating a larger risk. One student pulls a gun out in the middle of class, and another pulls his out and takes the classmate down. Before long there's a firefight in the middle of a Biology class. Of course that's an exaggeration, but it's hard for me to see this as an entirely good decision.

Hopefully statistics will prove me wrong in this regard, and we'll see less crime due to this bill.

Statistics already proved you wrong. It's called the United States before the stupid Miller decisionl. People weren't randomly shooing each other.
 
if we can teach a kid how to put a trojan on a banana we can teach a kid how to put a magazine in a glock or how to clear an M-16 rifle

Exactly.

More importanly, teaching gun safety isn't important for the student holding the gun, it's important for the student's he's learned not to point the gun at. Gun safety courses attempt to teach when not to shoot.

Last time I checked, no sex education course tells the HIV infected person that he should keep his dick in his pants.
 
I'm speaking of trainers and teachers. Had a group down helping us prepare an action plan. It is a very small minority view that more guns on campus is a good thing.

The Constitution was written to protect the freedoms of the minority against the tyrann of the majority.
 
Just for the record, reasoning is support. ;)

Logical arguments are all well and good and can help maybe guess probabilities a bit better, but proof it is not. You have some stats, like colleges are overall safer areas than general areas. But what do you attribute that to? That they have no guns? Because there is no link between those two stats, that would be nothing more than a guess on your part. And again, in the end we are talking about government force against the rights and liberties of adults in our society. Whether you like it or not, 18 is adult. Reasonable restrictions can be argued and backed up with data. If you don't have the data, then you don't have a complete argument. And without a complete argument, you cannot talk about reasonable restrictions; not when the rights and liberties of the individual are at stake.
 
*shrug*

My campus is open carry, but not a single person that I know of has ever open-carried, unless they were planning something messed up.
 
*shrug*

My campus is open carry, but not a single person that I know of has ever open-carried, unless they were planning something messed up.

My town is open carry, people do from time to time. It's fine. My campus is concealed carry; but not a single person has faced negative consequences because of it. The end is that guns on campus are going to be a non-factor because as you say, not many people will actually carry them.
 
Exactly.

More importanly, teaching gun safety isn't important for the student holding the gun, it's important for the student's he's learned not to point the gun at. Gun safety courses attempt to teach when not to shoot.

Last time I checked, no sex education course tells the HIV infected person that he should keep his dick in his pants.

...

I guess it's been a long, long time since you've seen a sex education course then.

Sex education courses teach facts regarding sex, sexuality and STDs. They also focus on methods of safe sex and the outcomes of unsafe sex.
 
The dude with the biggest gun wins...


In all seriousness I think this isn't a good idea, there is a lot of drinking, smoking, screwing and emotions running at full speed on college campuses. I am all for the right to have a gun any gun, but let use some common sense here.
 
The dude with the biggest gun wins...


In all seriousness I think this isn't a good idea, there is a lot of drinking, smoking, screwing and emotions running at full speed on college campuses. I am all for the right to have a gun any gun, but let use some common sense here.


And there is no drinking, screwing or emotions running at full speed off campus? I had no idea all babies were conceived on college campuses.
 
And there is no drinking, screwing or emotions running at full speed off campus? I had no idea all babies were conceived on college campuses.
OMG babies, hmm wonder if I have a few more that I don't know about. ;)

And there is no drinking, screwing or emotions running at full speed off campus?
There is absolutely but like I said use your common sense, we sure don't hand over Ferrari's to middle school students now do we, yet there are plenty of those out in the real world flirting with death.
 
There is absolutely but like I said use your common sense, we sure don't hand over Ferrari's to middle school students now do we, yet there are plenty of those out in the real world flirting with death.

Common sense usually isn't. But rather built upon assumption and bias rather than actual data. Perhaps you can show in the 25+ Universities which allow guns on campus how those campuses are so much more dangerous than all the other Universities which ban guns.
 
Common sense usually isn't. But rather built upon assumption and bias rather than actual data. Perhaps you can show in the 25+ Universities which allow guns on campus how those campuses are so much more dangerous than all the other Universities which ban guns.
Ikari I now what your trying to say and you a make a valid point, but IMO it's not a good idea statistic or no statistics I'll stick to my common sense and experience as a gun owner and as a father, oh and as a Texan. The problem with being a gun owner is that most do not have self defense training, the resolve to take a life and at the moment of truth may hesitate for numerous reasons.
 
Ikari I now what your trying to say and you a make a valid point, but IMO it's not a good idea statistic or no statistics I'll stick to my common sense and experience as a gun owner and as a father, oh and as a Texan. The problem with being a gun owner is that most do not have self defense training, the resolve to take a life and at the moment of truth may hesitate for numerous reasons.

These are adults who deserve to have the full of their rights recognized. Unless you have actual evidence, actual data to speak otherwise, you cannot properly authorize government force against their rights and liberties. Or do you forget:

I see far to many people so willing to give up their freedoms without a fight all in the name of security. To be free has it's inherited risks and with these risk our constitution allows us the tools to defend ourselves.
 
So, you pack a pistol for the Izzy Government, but they don't require you to pack according to their established methods.

Very intresting.

Keep training, Ric.

Its my loop....complicated or complex is not always better.

Goshin *you being an ex cop* There is NO good reason to carry a CCW weapon without a round chambered. Absolutely none. How do you chamber a round if your support side hand or arm are disabled? There is a technique, but can you do it in time to save your life? Does your life mean so little to you that you are willing to add precious time onto the task of addressing a threat, instead of investing time in proper training in handling your weapon?

Never understood why some guys carry without a chambered round. If you have the gun in the first place you are (at least we would assume and all hope) trained and know how to handle yourself and your firearm. I cant think of a dumber reason to die because you had to rack it when you took it out of your holster.

What the **** is the point of having a gun without a round chambered, Goshin?
 
These are adults who deserve to have the full of their rights recognized. Unless you have actual evidence, actual data to speak otherwise, you cannot properly authorize government force against their rights and liberties. Or do you forget:
No I don't forget but I do draw lines of distinction, I didn't say out law the guns but universities and colleges for the most part are private institutions and they should be able to decide not the state, if they allow guns fine. All I am doing is giving my own opinion on how I feel about this and i have a feeling in the LONG run I'll be on the right side...maybe not. We used to allow guns in bars and now it's outlawed in just about every state if not all.
 
No I don't forget but I do draw lines of distinction, I didn't say out law the guns but universities and colleges for the most part are private institutions and they should be able to decide not the state, if they allow guns fine. All I am doing is giving my own opinion on how I feel about this and i have a feeling in the LONG run I'll be on the right side...maybe not. We used to allow guns in bars and now it's outlawed in just about every state if not all.

Universites and colleges for the most part are PUBLIC institutions. Private ones are more than free to choose whatever rules they want.

We can open and conceal carry in bars, BTW. The rule is that if you are, you cannot be drinking. Ain't had no problems.
 
I can see why some are happy about this, and I do see it as a solution to the issue. I merely find it unfortunate that we have to have this discussion at all. Allowing people to hold arms is seemingly beneficial, but at the same time that is creating a larger risk. One student pulls a gun out in the middle of class, and another pulls his out and takes the classmate down. Before long there's a firefight in the middle of a Biology class. Of course that's an exaggeration, but it's hard for me to see this as an entirely good decision.

Hopefully statistics will prove me wrong in this regard, and we'll see less crime due to this bill.


anti gun nuts said allowing honest people to carry pistols would

1) cause massive deaths as people shot each other over traffic issues

2) mall rats shooting someone who pulled into a parking space they were waiting for

etc etc etc

garment soiling haters of guns told us that if Bush let the idiotic Clinton Gun ban to expire the "streets would run with blood"

another steaming load of bull excrement

every time the hand wringing ninnies make a prediction it is wrong and yet those twits repeat the same crapola over and over and over and over
 
anti gun nuts said allowing honest people to carry pistols would

1) cause massive deaths as people shot each other over traffic issues

2) mall rats shooting someone who pulled into a parking space they were waiting for

etc etc etc

garment soiling haters of guns told us that if Bush let the idiotic Clinton Gun ban to expire the "streets would run with blood"

another steaming load of bull excrement

every time the hand wringing ninnies make a prediction it is wrong and yet those twits repeat the same crapola over and over and over and over

And this is what's really getting me. They're saying that statistically it's going to be so much worse, so much so dangerous. But it that's true then you should see it at every University which allows guns on campus and had enough a student population to realize all probabilities. Yet in every University/College which allows guns on campus, we have seen NO SUCH THING. So all this "common sense" and such is nothing more than what people IMAGINE the situation to be, not what it is in reality.
 
And this is what's really getting me. They're saying that statistically it's going to be so much worse, so much so dangerous. But it that's true then you should see it at every University which allows guns on campus and had enough a student population to realize all probabilities. Yet in every University/College which allows guns on campus, we have seen NO SUCH THING. So all this "common sense" and such is nothing more than what people IMAGINE the situation to be, not what it is in reality.

they are just liars-and the main stream media refuses to thrash them for that

Sarah Brady could pretend she merely believed her bovine excrement when she started that nonsense after 30 states proved her wrong she should have been branded the bald faced lying bitch she really is
 
Universites and colleges for the most part are PUBLIC institutions. Private ones are more than free to choose whatever rules they want.

We can open and conceal carry in bars, BTW. The rule is that if you are, you cannot be drinking. Ain't had no problems.


Universites and colleges for the most part are PUBLIC institutions
I disagree
U.S. Private Colleges and Universities in the Yahoo! Directory
Private ones are more than free to choose whatever rules they want.
I agree
 
they are just liars-and the main stream media refuses to thrash them for that

Sarah Brady could pretend she merely believed her bovine excrement when she started that nonsense after 30 states proved her wrong she should have been branded the bald faced lying bitch she really is
Sarah Brady could pretend she merely believed her bovine excrement when she started that nonsense after 30 states proved her wrong she should have been branded the bald faced lying bitch she really is
HEY...Don't lump me into this insane group, although I am with the common sense group and I think Ikari is mad at me:p
 
Fair enough. 4 year Universities, there seems to be more private than public. But in general I think these arguments were all for public schools, including the law from Texas.
Ok, hey don't get me wrong, just thinking like a father that's all and yes we can be a pain in the ass, that's my job.
 
HEY...Don't lump me into this insane group, although I am with the common sense group and I think Ikari is mad at me:p

if the panties fit you side with the twit:mrgreen::lamo
 
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