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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's not the skill of hitting the target. It's the skill of knowing when to fire and when not to.
    Please provide the studies that back up your claim. "When to fire and when not to" comes down to the practice and range time that I mentioned earlier. To say that LEO's have some mystical level of proficiency that can never be obtained by any regular citizen is just plain ignorant.
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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You do know I did a search to get the facts I listed above. It was covered.
    Was it just a token mention so that they can claim they are not biased or did they actually run those stories for weeks like they do anytime there is a school shooting?
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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Was it just a token mention so that they can claim they are not biased or did they actually run those stories for weeks like they do anytime there is a school shooting?
    Token mention? So, you want them to have the same fever as you have? Seriously, token mention is a judgement call on your part. It reflects your view, bis if you will. Like most who claim bias what you really want is for the media to biased, to hold your bias.

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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Please provide the studies that back up your claim. "When to fire and when not to" comes down to the practice and range time that I mentioned earlier. To say that LEO's have some mystical level of proficiency that can never be obtained by any regular citizen is just plain ignorant.
    I got it in conversation, but I'll check with one of the local trainers and and get back to you. And I didn't and don't use absolutes. I use the word likely. Some officers are better than others, as are some civilians, but generally speaking, the likelihood as to who will respond best, well, the one most trained will likely respond better than the one not so well trained.

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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Token mention?
    How is it not a token mention when they only do a story of a gun owner using his or her firearm to save people but a story of some nut shooting up a school gets weeks of airtime?

    So, you want them to have the same fever as you have?
    I want them to actually be unbiased like they claim to be.

    Seriously, token mention is a judgement call on your part.
    How is it not a token mention?

    It reflects your view,
    They barely mention stories of gun owners using their firearms to stop criminals while a story of someone shooting up a school or crowd of people gets constant airplay for weeks. How is this not a token mention.


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    bis if you will. Like most who claim bias what you really want is for the media to biased, to hold your bias.
    I want the media to be unbiased like it claims to be.
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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    On a quick search I did find this:

    Interestingly, tests also reveal that when facing shoot/don't shoot decisions of their own, civilians tend to be quick on the trigger--and often wrong in their perceptions.

    Read more: New study: When civilians would shoot...and when they think you should - U.S. First Responders Association New study: When civilians would shoot...and when they think you should - U.S. First Responders Association

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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How is it not a token mention when they only do a story of a gun owner using his or her firearm to save people but a story of some nut shooting up a school gets weeks of airtime?


    I want them to actually be unbiased like they claim to be.



    How is it not a token mention?



    They barely mention stories of gun owners using their firearms to stop criminals while a story of someone shooting up a school or crowd of people gets constant airplay for weeks. How is this not a token mention.


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    I want the media to be unbiased like it claims to be.
    Because we worry more about the nut than we do the saving the saving. The same way people don't stop to watch traffic moving smoothly but do stop to view an accident. This is the nature of who we are and not a commentary on the media. They simply respond to us.

    And no, I've listened to you and those whining about the media for years. You want a bias. You wnat your beliefs highlighten, given more hearing, in essence you want them biased, biased in your favor.

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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by ADG View Post
    It's about time. I don't know how many times I sat in class thinking to myself, "I could really use a gun right now".

    I do approve of the legislation but I have to admit you cracked me up with this

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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    On a quick search I did find this:

    Interestingly, tests also reveal that when facing shoot/don't shoot decisions of their own, civilians tend to be quick on the trigger--and often wrong in their perceptions.

    Read more: New study: When civilians would shoot...and when they think you should - U.S. First Responders Association New study: When civilians would shoot...and when they think you should - U.S. First Responders Association
    So... a police forum says citizens are quick on the trigger? I'm convinced.

    Would you now like to see a Pro-Gun forum talk about how citizens have a better track record of shooting the right person than LEOs?

    I can post that too, but I just figured you'd want to keep this strictly to "reliable" sources. You are absolutely right though that the person with the most training will react the most efficiently in a stress situation. There are many proficient LEOs, just as their are many proficient citizens. This has absolutely nothing to do with gun control, as the law has no bearing on how much a person trains with their weapon.
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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    So... a police forum says citizens are quick on the trigger? I'm convinced.

    Would you now like to see a Pro-Gun forum talk about how citizens have a better track record of shooting the right person than LEOs?

    I can post that too, but I just figured you'd want to keep this strictly to "reliable" sources. You are absolutely right though that the person with the most training will react the most efficiently in a stress situation. There are many proficient LEOs, just as their are many proficient citizens. This has absolutely nothing to do with gun control, as the law has no bearing on how much a person trains with their weapon.
    I believe they talk about a study. Right? Believe it or not, but studies are important to the professionals in question. That's why they look at them.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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