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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

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    cool-one day I will make it up there-too busy with other shooting competitions
    I'm also shooting long-range with OHRPA in June.

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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    He didn't have eyelids? He couldn't close his left eye while leaving his right eye relaxed?
    Mayor - You need mandatory training....and after that

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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

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    Mayor - You need mandatory training....and after that

    Keep training
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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Schools will be even safer when the people are no longer denied a basic Constitutional freedom.

    Mall workers who object to law abiding citizens exercising their Constitutional freedom to keep and bear arms, they're under no compulsion to work there.
    That is not likely true. Adding risk not there is not likely to make anything Safer. And that's true for schools and Malls.

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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Logical arguments are all well and good and can help maybe guess probabilities a bit better, but proof it is not. You have some stats, like colleges are overall safer areas than general areas. But what do you attribute that to? That they have no guns? Because there is no link between those two stats, that would be nothing more than a guess on your part. And again, in the end we are talking about government force against the rights and liberties of adults in our society. Whether you like it or not, 18 is adult. Reasonable restrictions can be argued and backed up with data. If you don't have the data, then you don't have a complete argument. And without a complete argument, you cannot talk about reasonable restrictions; not when the rights and liberties of the individual are at stake.
    No, I don't attribute it to lack of guns or having guns. It's the nature of the place. More structure overall, people mostly there for a purpose, and there is little need for violence. But it is this safe environment that makes guns largely not needed. The point about how safe it is relates to need for anyone to carry a gun. There really is no need for one.

    And restrcitions can be backed up in a number of ways. Not just data, which can be helpful, but with sound reasoning as well. A person can look at the population, look at how they handle over responsibilities, how likley they are to make poor judgements, assess the need, and reach a conclusion even without studies that address the specific situation.

    And no one is really losing anything. Most have managed to go to school without being armed for a long time now with nothing lost.

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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, I don't attribute it to lack of guns or having guns. It's the nature of the place.
    True. Guns don't kill people, people don't kill people - the goverment does - by setting the example that it is ok to target helpless people.


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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, I don't attribute it to lack of guns or having guns. It's the nature of the place. More structure overall, people mostly there for a purpose, and there is little need for violence. But it is this safe environment that makes guns largely not needed. The point about how safe it is relates to need for anyone to carry a gun. There really is no need for one.
    There isn't a safe environment. I hear of shootings everyday, not necessarily in colleges, but there are those too; UAH, VT, etc. There isn't such a thing as a safe environment.

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    And no one is really losing anything. Most have managed to go to school without being armed for a long time now with nothing lost.
    What about the few that went to school unarmed and are dead? I guess that's just an acceptable sacrifice?
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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    There isn't a safe environment. I hear of shootings everyday, not necessarily in colleges, but there are those too; UAH, VT, etc. There isn't such a thing as a safe environment.
    You must be hearing the same ones over and over because they are extremely rare. The numbers have been linked on this, and they really don't happen much. More common in k-12, but even rare there on the whole.



    What about the few that went to school unarmed and are dead? I guess that's just an acceptable sacrifice?
    Your mistake is in thinking that if they were armed they wouldn't be. There is little evidence to support that guns on campus would save anyone. The advantage is always to the person who shoots first. Trained personal struggle in such situations. Untrained are even less likely to actually save their lives.

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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Trained personal struggle in such situations.
    dept chair, huh?

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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post

    There is little evidence to support that guns on campus would save anyone. The advantage is always to the person who shoots first. Trained personal struggle in such situations. Untrained are even less likely to actually save their lives.
    Training is important

    That said.....That punk ass kid may not be a master class shooter with years of training under his belt (but has the basics pinned down) ...and when the unthinkable happens and there is a gunman in the classroom who is going to tie up your or someone's daughter, rape her and then shoot her in the back of the head, wouldn't you rather that kid be equipped to at least try?

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