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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We also have law enforement making their cases for why it is a bad idea.
    Not in Illinois.

    Ill. Assn. of Chiefs of Police Support Legalizing Concealed Carry Proposal
    Published : Thursday, 31 Mar 2011, 7:36 PM CDT
    By Mike Flannery, FOX Chicago News

    Chicago - Leaders of the Illinois Assn. of Chiefs of Police voted Wednesday to change their stance on the issue. They now support legalizing concealed carry.

    It’s a big boost for those trying to repeal Illinois’s ban on the concealed carrying of handguns. The group of top cops had long opposed the idea. They voted two years to go neutral on the issue...
    Personally, it's rather unlikely that I would never carry a handgun. But I completely support that others can. The world's a little safer when more good guys have guns.
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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    It seems like a school shooter could manipulate this to his advantage.
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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Let's not forget this either:

    The former security guard . . . ex-Minneapolis police officer.


    Now, as I talk to law enforement folks, it's risky for some trained well. Maddess for the novice shooter. More likely to miss and hit others.
    I have yet to stand next to a cop at the range that was any better or worse than your average 'skilled' shooter. Do you have any stats showing that the average citizen is not as good a shot as your average police officer? In either case, it comes down to practice and range time, with citizens very easily able to obtain an equal or greater level of proficiency to what is taught to LEO's.
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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

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    Bravo for one less "Defenseless Victim Zone" in this country.

    Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms - CBS News

    Edit: The nigh hysterical comments on the article are pure gold... "OMG, BLOOD in the streets!!"
    I think anti-2nd amendment loons said the same thing about concealed permits, make my day laws, and another pro-2nd amendment and or pro-self defense law.
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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think anti-2nd amendment loons said the same thing about concealed permits, make my day laws, and another pro-2nd amendment and or pro-self defense law.
    ...which is funny, considering I've never been involved in a gunfight outside the saloon at high noon, despite the fact that I'm surrounded by gun owners as I go about my daily business. Why aren't more of these terrible gun battles-that-escalated-from-simple-arguments being reported? Why is the media so silent on all the innocent bystanders being killed by law-abiding citizens bearing arms involved in intense firefights?
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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Amazing how anyone can say that the mainstream media is not biased with a straight face when stories like these are ignored while some nutjob shooting up a crowd gets weeks of coverage. And even if a few of these stories are covered you will not hardly ever here elected officials trying to use stories like these to loosen up anti-2nd amendment laws.
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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    I have yet to stand next to a cop at the range that was any better or worse than your average 'skilled' shooter. Do you have any stats showing that the average citizen is not as good a shot as your average police officer? In either case, it comes down to practice and range time, with citizens very easily able to obtain an equal or greater level of proficiency to what is taught to LEO's.
    It's not the skill of hitting the target. It's the skill of knowing when to fire and when not to.

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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Amazing how anyone can say that the mainstream media is not biased with a straight face when stories like these are ignored while some nutjob shooting up a crowd gets weeks of coverage. And even if a few of these stories are covered you will not hardly ever here elected officials trying to use stories like these to loosen up anti-2nd amendment laws.
    You do know I did a search to get the facts I listed above. It was covered.

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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Oh, come on.

    Let's assume the shooter will fire 20 more shots.

    In order to cause more casualties than the shooter is intending, multi people would need to miss multiple times and every miss hits an innocent. Or one person doesn't hit until the second mag and every round lands in an innocent.

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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Not in Illinois.



    Personally, it's rather unlikely that I would never carry a handgun. But I completely support that others can. The world's a little safer when more good guys have guns.
    Are you sure?

    Who else is opposed to CCW? Cook County Board President Toni Preckwinkle; Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart; Cook County State's Attorney Anita Alvarez; Chicago Police Department; Police Superintendent Terry Hilliard; Orland Park Chief of Police Tim McCarthy; Gurnee Police Chief Robert Jones; His Eminence Frances George Cardinal George, OMI, Archbishop of Chicago; Rabbi Michael Balinsky, Executive Vice President, Chicago Board of Rabbis; Bishop James Wilkowski, Evangelical Catholic Bishop, Diocese of the Northwest; Rev. Claude Christopher, Presiding Elder Chicago District AME Zion Church; The Right Rev. Jeffrey D. Lee, Episcopal Diocese of Chicago; The Right Rev. Dr. John C. Reynolds, Executive Presbyter, Presbytery of Chicago; American Academy of Pediatrics – Illinois, League of Women Voters, Voices for Illinois Children, National Council of Jewish Women, Northwest Municipal Conference, Children’s Memorial Hospital, Illinois Restaurant Association, Purpose Over Pain, Loyola University Chicago, Crime Victims United of Illinois, The Deborah Movement, and the Uhlich Children’s Advantage Network (UCAN).

    http://www.ichv.org/wp-content/uploa...-sheet-ha2.pdf

    Also in that article:

    The evidence does NOT support the claim that CCW laws reduce crime. Numerous academic studies by respected researchers (including the University of Chicago and Johns Hopkins University) have systematically criticized the methodology and faulty conclusions of studies cited by gun rights advocates as proof that CCW laws reduce violent crime.5 Studies published by the Stanford Law Review and the Journal of Trauma concluded that there is no statistical evidence that CCW laws reduce crime. The studies found that the adoption of such laws generally will increase crime. 6 In addition, a 2005 National Academy of Sciences report found that there is no evidence to support the claim that CCW laws have a causal link to crime rate reduction.7

    I've noted this before, so i though a little preemption might avoid this coming up.

    Anyway, do a search, and you'll find links to law enforcement across the contry opposing such laws.

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