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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're opinion is noted, but I and others actually don't agree. This seems more your way of saying I don't care for their views. Fine. But, who would know more?
    1) I really don't care because I know you really don't know much about this subject but the vast majority of police officers are not competent shots which is why you almost never see full time cops winning combat pistol tournaments. The ones who do-Like LAPD's John Pride-are full time shooters and they aren't yapping about gun stuff because they have had their clocks cleaned too many times by civilians Like Doug Koenig Jerry Barnhart, Brian Enos, Todd Jarrett, and Robbie Leatham.

    2)Having trained with some of the top police trainers in the country-like John Benner (google him), Massaad Ayoob (google him) I know what I am talking about and I know what these top LEOs say about police marksmanship

    3) most of those who opine on this subject are bureaucrats who are distrustful of "civilians" using weapons. Its based on a power issue not expertise. Now you can believe police who tell you that people like me are less competent with weapons than cops and those of us who are professional level shooters just laugh



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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) I really don't care because I know you really don't know much about this subject but the vast majority of police officers are not competent shots which is why you almost never see full time cops winning combat pistol tournaments. The ones who do-Like LAPD's John Pride-are full time shooters and they aren't yapping about gun stuff because they have had their clocks cleaned too many times by civilians Like Doug Koenig Jerry Barnhart, Brian Enos, Todd Jarrett, and Robbie Leatham.

    2)Having trained with some of the top police trainers in the country-like John Benner (google him), Massaad Ayoob (google him) I know what I am talking about and I know what these top LEOs say about police marksmanship

    3) most of those who opine on this subject are bureaucrats who are distrustful of "civilians" using weapons. Its based on a power issue not expertise. Now you can believe police who tell you that people like me are less competent with weapons than cops and those of us who are professional level shooters just laugh
    I actually know one of the police trainers here. As a friend, I get to see and talk with a lot of folks knowledgable on the subject. But it's not about being a good shot. It's about judgement. While anyone can exhibit poor judgment, regardless of training, it is more likley that someone with good training will make better judgements than someone with the training.

    However, the question was who knows more?

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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I actually know one of the police trainers here. As a friend, I get to see and talk with a lot of folks knowledgable on the subject. But it's not about being a good shot. It's about judgement. While anyone can exhibit poor judgment, regardless of training, it is more likley that someone with good training will make better judgements than someone with the training.

    However, the question was who knows more?
    the guys I speak of as trainers teach people how to survive gun fights.

    they back me up on this

    the cincinnati police department had 984 sworn officers in 1989

    any officer who wanted to practice got "free" ammo at the range

    so it was safe to say that cops aren't going to pay for ammo when they can get the stuff free

    that year they used about 140K worth of ammo

    training instructor Jack basham and his two assistants used about 20K
    so that left 120K for 981 officers. Do the math

    less than 150 rounds per officer in a year.

    hardly expert



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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the guys I speak of as trainers teach people how to survive gun fights.

    they back me up on this

    the cincinnati police department had 984 sworn officers in 1989

    any officer who wanted to practice got "free" ammo at the range

    so it was safe to say that cops aren't going to pay for ammo when they can get the stuff free

    that year they used about 140K worth of ammo

    training instructor Jack basham and his two assistants used about 20K
    so that left 120K for 981 officers. Do the math

    less than 150 rounds per officer in a year.

    hardly expert
    I'm speaking of trainers and teachers. Had a group down helping us prepare an action plan. It is a very small minority view that more guns on campus is a good thing.

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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm speaking of trainers and teachers. Had a group down helping us prepare an action plan. It is a very small minority view that more guns on campus is a good thing.
    what makes a university different than a mall?

    only idiots want gun free zones-it encourages active shooters

    when my father went to college it was during the end of the war and a couple years after it

    he was a naval officer and a yale student

    he had "shore Patrol" during the school day meaning he would often go to class in uniform with a sidearm and then report for shore patrol

    funny thing no one ever got shot and there were a bunch of guys carrying arms



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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what makes a university different than a mall?

    only idiots want gun free zones-it encourages active shooters

    when my father went to college it was during the end of the war and a couple years after it

    he was a naval officer and a yale student

    he had "shore Patrol" during the school day meaning he would often go to class in uniform with a sidearm and then report for shore patrol

    funny thing no one ever got shot and there were a bunch of guys carrying arms
    A lot of things. There's nothing to steal really. There are statisitic that show schools are safer than the rest of society (and they've been linkerd), and let's face it a lot of mall workers don't want a lot of guns in the mall.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    A lot of things. There's nothing to steal really. There are statisitic that show schools are safer than the rest of society (and they've been linkerd), and let's face it a lot of mall workers don't want a lot of guns in the mall.
    there are three kinds of people

    there are wolves, sheep dogs and sheep

    wolves don't want people armed and many sheep are afraid as well



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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Sure, I'd like for everyone to take some basic training in gun safety and gun handling, if they're going to own a gun.
    It should be a graduation requirement for high-school. After all, the lunatics on the left are always telling us how unsafe guns can be. Then they tell us that children should be educated fully in the latest "safe-sex" techniques. The American people have been informed, over and over and over again, that parents can't be trusted to tell their children the facts of life. Signficantly so, they clam that inner city children are most at risk, because of the prevalence of not-knowing-who-their-father-is disease.

    Well, if they're so concerned about safety they can't have any valid objections to children being taught basic gun safety by trained and licensed professionals in a safe academic setting, right? And is any child more at risk for random discovery of a loaded firearm than those budding young gangsters in the inner cities?

    So high school diplomas should be dependent upon successful completion of an approved gun safety course.

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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    It should be a graduation requirement for high-school. After all, the lunatics on the left are always telling us how unsafe guns can be. Then they tell us that children should be educated fully in the latest "safe-sex" techniques. The American people have been informed, over and over and over again, that parents can't be trusted to tell their children the facts of life. Signficantly so, they clam that inner city children are most at risk, because of the prevalence of not-knowing-who-their-father-is disease.

    Well, if they're so concerned about safety they can't have any valid objections to children being taught basic gun safety by trained and licensed professionals in a safe academic setting, right? And is any child more at risk for random discovery of a loaded firearm than those budding young gangsters in the inner cities?

    So high school diplomas should be dependent upon successful completion of an approved gun safety course.
    if we can teach a kid how to put a trojan on a banana we can teach a kid how to put a magazine in a glock or how to clear an M-16 rifle



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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    I can see why some are happy about this, and I do see it as a solution to the issue. I merely find it unfortunate that we have to have this discussion at all. Allowing people to hold arms is seemingly beneficial, but at the same time that is creating a larger risk. One student pulls a gun out in the middle of class, and another pulls his out and takes the classmate down. Before long there's a firefight in the middle of a Biology class. Of course that's an exaggeration, but it's hard for me to see this as an entirely good decision.

    Hopefully statistics will prove me wrong in this regard, and we'll see less crime due to this bill.

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