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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Cool enough...you do have a talent for reading words that clearly aren't there. But some people love to make stuff up.

    In other words...if you can't accept the fact that people can buy guns illegally then so be it...it doesn't exist...right? And so therefore, it's just my imagination? And by even bring up that fact...it makes me anti-gun?

    Personally I don't care where "Licensed" concealed weapons are allowed "by law". But I think we both know that there are those who actually do live outside the law. That's something neither you are I can control. But we are both HOPEFULLY responsible gun owners who can control our behaviors in ways that won't violate laws that would give all other law abiding gun owning citizens a black eye. Right?
    Simple "yes" or "no" question:

    Do you support students carrying guns on campus?

    Please answer before going any further.

    Now, I'm not saying that you're anti-gun for stating that criminals will always have access to guns. In fact, I completely agree with you on that. I've never even come remotely close to saying that laws will prevent bad people from getting guns on this board EVER. I'm calling you out for stating that you don't support the rights of law-abiding gun owners to protect themselves from the criminals.

    ...or was I just "reading words that weren't there" when you were supporting the Brady crowd and talking about people shooting up frat parties if they carried on campus?
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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't think you would. Look it up. Colorado Universities are one of them (except Boulder I think). Look up our gun crime statistics and compare it to the gun crime statistics of the Universities in the same city/area. Let me know what you find.
    That still seems like too small an example, but I will look it up. And if Boulder is an exception, why do you think it is different?

    The ability to defend life, liberty, and property is well more meaningful and necessary than getting to the store quicker.
    Not sure a gun does that. Many of us manage to defend ourselves just fine without a gun. And we ahve the added benefit of not shooting ourselves.

    18 is adult and the time in which you get your nose out of other people's business. People are allowed to make their own decisions and make their own actions, for better or for worse. Sorry man, that's the way of it in a free country.
    That's what the guy who sells crack on the corner says. However, ignoring that little joke, as their silliness certainly could spill over into my life, I do have so reason to be concerned.

    You keep saying "police think" blah. Police can think anything they want, but they don't get to set the rules. Of course they don't want people having guns, that's people who can defend themselves, who are less reliant on them, and perhaps someone that may offer them a threat (sometimes deservedly so). Colorado is one place, but it is REAL NUMBERS. You haven't offered real anything. Until you do, you're point is moot because you have not a single measurement to back it up. Show me the data. You want to restrict the rights of the individual, you got to prove the case. It ain't the other way around, not in this Republic.
    You're right to some degree. They don't get to decide. But this is their realm of expertise. So absent any siginificant statistical evidence, . . . yet . . . . it is good to hear what those who have some knowledge think.

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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They will be happy to hear your valued opinion.
    It's not a criticism as much as an observation. What are they possibly supposed to do about a deranged gunman walking into a building to shoot up the place, then kill themselves?

    They can't be everywhere (nor would we want them to be).
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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As those have little to do with schools, I'm not sure it matters. But more guns would likely mean more shootings, a more people shooting themselves. The shooting themselves is certainly supported by stats.
    Really? More mention of these mystical "stats" that you never seem able to produce? ...or did you actually plan on posting said stats at any point in time? Come on, Boo, you know how the debate game is played.
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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    If the people suddenly carrying firearms on Texas college campuses shoot sidearms as poorly as what I see at public shooting ranges the students are probably safer just worrying about maniacs. Most states issuing concealed carry licenses, mine included, require a brief session at the range and watching some of those novices is downright scary. The thought of them pulling a weapon while under extreme stress in a crowd and shooting is....terrifying.

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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by croniccynic View Post
    If the people suddenly carrying firearms on Texas college campuses shoot sidearms as poorly as what I see at public shooting ranges the students are probably safer just worrying about maniacs. Most states issuing concealed carry licenses, mine included, require a brief session at the range and watching some of those novices is downright scary. The thought of them pulling a weapon while under extreme stress in a crowd and shooting is....terrifying.
    More terrifying than the deranged gunman being the only armed person in the room?

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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I do approve of the legislation but I have to admit you cracked me up with this
    I agree with it too, but I couldn't resist this post.
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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The reality of the situation is actually allowing concealed carry on campus is a non-effect. You will not statistically see any increase or decrease in crime nor would you often find that one could stop the campus killer before he kills a lot of folk. People hell bent on killing a bunch of folk are most likely going to find the means by which to do so. At the same time, to keep and bear arms is a right and I'll allow anyone wishing to exercise the right just that. I think it's proper and dutiful to own weapons, to be proficient in them, to carry them on your person. Not everyone will...in fact on a college campus the vast majority won't. Which is why it's a non-issue. But it's still a good thing to do.
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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Really? More mention of these mystical "stats" that you never seem able to produce? ...or did you actually plan on posting said stats at any point in time? Come on, Boo, you know how the debate game is played.
    These are fairly widely known stats. But I'll give you some links:

    A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used in an unintentional shooting, than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense.
    A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used in an unintentional shooting, a criminal assault or homicide, or an attempted or completed suicide than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense.
    Journal of Trauma, 1998

    Stop Handgun Violence: The Facts

    The largest category of firearms fatality is suicide, not homicide. In 1997, 54 percent of all gun deaths were suicides, and 42 percent were homicides.16

    (snip)

    Self Defense

    For every time a gun in the home is used in a self-defense homicide, a gun will be used in�


    1.3 unintentional deaths

    4.6 criminal homicides

    37 suicides22

    VPC - Handgun Ban Fact Sheet

    In 2007, there were 613 fatal firearm accidents in the United States, constituting 0.5% of 123,706 fatal accidents that year.[120]

    (snip)

    In 2007, there were roughly 15,698 emergency room visits for non-fatal firearm accidents . . . .

    Gun Control

    The last one, though hardly a non-biased site, clearly shows over 16,000 people shot themselves in 2007.

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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    It's not a criticism as much as an observation. What are they possibly supposed to do about a deranged gunman walking into a building to shoot up the place, then kill themselves?

    They can't be everywhere (nor would we want them to be).
    They do get here pretty quick. We've timed it. Wehave an action plan btw, and with no one armed here.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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