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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    LOL, the bitterness of Colorado for its utter dependence on Texas never ceases to amaze. Just keep your slopes open, and we'll keep subsidizing your economy, as well as sending our developers out there to build stuff for you to work and live in.
    Don't let upsideguy speak for the entire state. Denver is the red-headed step child of Colorado with their silly draconian attempts to usurp state gun laws. In fact, Denver is a bit like the proverbial sewage system for the rest of Colorado. All the refuse and biological waste in the state seems to flow that direction.

    I happen to like Texas.
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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    In Texas, we don't have many home invasions. Criminals know there's a very likely chance that they encounter a homeowner loaded for bear, and with our Castle laws, the shooter won't even be bothered with a court appearance.
    "Home invasion" isn't a crime per se. As such the FBI doesn't keep track of it exactly. But Texas isn't near the bottom of burglary, robbery nor violent crime.
    source:FBI UCR - Crime in the United States 2009
    Of course, this doesn't mean that Texas wouldn't be even worse if not for w/e gun laws--just that not "many home invasions" may not be all that much.
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    RANKED BY BURGLARY
    State				Violent crime	Murder	Forcible rape	Robbery	AggrAssault	Property crime	Burglary	Larceny-theft	Motor vehicle theft
    ARKANSAS	Per100k		517.7		6.2		47.3	89.4		374.8	3,773.7		1,203.1		2,359.3		211.2
    NORTH CAROLINA	Per100k		404.3		5.3		24.6	126.1		248.4	3,668.1		1,149.5		2,305.2		213.5
    NEW MEXICO	Per100k		619.0		8.7		52.6	93.1		464.7	3,735.8		1,095.8		2,317.8		322.2
    ALABAMA		Per100k		449.8		6.9		31.9	132.9		278.1	3,772.4		1,037.2		2,499.9		235.3
    OKLAHOMA	Per100k		501.1		6.2		41.5	90.7		362.7	3,573.8		1,030.0		2,261.7		282.2
    LOUISIANA	Per100k		620.0		11.8		30.3	135.9		442.0	3,794.6		1,029.5		2,504.3		260.8
    TENNESSEE	Per100k		667.7		7.3		31.7	153.2		475.5	3,754.1		1,010.9		2,505.4		237.8
    GEORGIA		Per100k		426.1		5.8		23.4	148.6		248.3	3,666.6		1,000.7		2,328.7		337.2
    SOUTH CAROLINA	Per100k		670.8		6.3		35.3	125.7		503.4	3,888.6		992.8		2,598.4		297.4
    MISSISSIPPI	Per100k		281.3		6.4		31.8	100.4		142.6	2,953.3		987.9		1,782.5		183.0
    FLORIDA		Per100k		612.5		5.5		29.7	166.7		410.6	3,840.8		981.1		2,588.6		271.1
    TEXAS		Per100k		490.9		5.4		33.4	153.5		298.7	4,015.5		969.4		2,737.2		308.9
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    State		Population	Violent crime	Murder 	Forcible rape	Robbery	AggrvAssault	Property crime	Burglary	Larceny-theft	Motor vehicle theft
    DC		per100k		1,345.9		24.0	25.0	731.9	565.0	4,745.4		616.4		3,206.5		922.5
    NEVADA		per100k		702.2		5.9	38.6	227.8	429.8	3,055.6		832.1		1,755.1		468.4
    MARYLAND	per100k		589.9		7.7	20.3	210.7	351.3	3,200.7		649.7		2,206.7		344.2
    DELAWARE	per100k		636.6		4.6	38.2	188.8	405.0	3,349.6		783.2		2,351.0		215.5
    ILLINOIS2, 3 	per100k		497.2		6.0	30.2	177.6	283.4	2,736.9		603.0		1,927.3		206.6
    CALIFORNIA	per100k		472.0		5.3	23.6	173.4	269.7	2,731.5		622.6		1,665.1		443.8
    FLORIDA		per100k		612.5		5.5	29.7	166.7	410.6	3,840.8		981.1		2,588.6		271.1
    OHIO		per100k		332.1		4.5	34.8	154.1	138.7	3,270.9		902.9		2,169.8		198.3
    PUERTO RICO	per100k		264.5		22.5	1.6	153.6	86.7	1,410.0		466.8		770.9		172.2
    TEXAS		per100k		490.9		5.4	33.4	153.5	298.7	4,015.5		969.4		2,737.2		308.9
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    RANKED BY VIOLENT CRIME
    State		Population	Violent crime	Murder	Forcible rape	Robbery	AggrvAssault	Property crime	Burglary	Larceny-theft	Motor vehicle theft
    DC		per100k		1,345.9		24.0	25.0		731.9	565.0		4,745.4		616.4		3,206.5		922.5
    NEVADA		per100k		702.2		5.9	38.6		227.8	429.8		3,055.6		832.1		1,755.1		468.4
    SOUTH CAROLINA	per100k		670.8		6.3	35.3		125.7	503.4		3,888.6		992.8		2,598.4		297.4
    TENNESSEE	per100k		667.7		7.3	31.7		153.2	475.5		3,754.1		1,010.9		2,505.4		237.8
    DELAWARE	per100k		636.6		4.6	38.2		188.8	405.0		3,349.6		783.2		2,351.0		215.5
    ALASKA		per100k		633.0		3.1	73.3		93.8	462.7		2,946.0		515.0		2,189.2		241.8
    LOUISIANA	per100k		620.0		11.8	30.3		135.9	442.0		3,794.6		1,029.5		2,504.3		260.8
    NEW MEXICO	per100k		619.0		8.7	52.6		93.1	464.7		3,735.8		1,095.8		2,317.8		322.2
    FLORIDA		per100k		612.5		5.5	29.7		166.7	410.6		3,840.8		981.1		2,588.6		271.1
    MARYLAND	per100k		589.9		7.7	20.3		210.7	351.3		3,200.7		649.7		2,206.7		344.2
    ARKANSAS	per100k		517.7		6.2	47.3		89.4	374.8		3,773.7		1,203.1		2,359.3		211.2
    OKLAHOMA	per100k		501.1		6.2	41.5		90.7	362.7		3,573.8		1,030.0		2,261.7		282.2
    ILLINOIS2, 3 	per100k		497.2		6.0	30.2		177.6	283.4		2,736.9		603.0		1,927.3		206.6
    MICHIGAN4	per100k		497.0		6.3	45.3		123.7	321.7		2,837.8		760.5		1,782.6		294.7
    MISSOURI	per100k		491.8		6.4	26.8		124.5	334.1		3,385.3		731.3		2,362.1		291.9
    TEXAS		per100k		490.9		5.4	33.4		153.5	298.7		4,015.5		969.4		2,737.2		308.9
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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Don't let upsideguy speak for the entire state. Denver is the red-headed step child of Colorado with their silly draconian attempts to usurp state gun laws. In fact, Denver is a bit like the proverbial sewage system for the rest of Colorado. All the refuse and biological waste in the state seems to flow that direction.

    I happen to like Texas.
    And I happen to love Colorado, too. Just funnin' with him after his ridiculous post a few earlier.

    Denver is much like Austin in the regard you speak. Ironic in that all these wealthy, conservative business people build this amazing city in a beautiful setting, then a bunch of bike-riding, one-bath-a-week liberals gravitate there just to bitch in unison.
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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    "Home invasion" isn't a crime per se. As such the FBI doesn't keep track of it exactly. But Texas isn't near the bottom of burglary, robbery nor violent crime.
    source:FBI UCR - Crime in the United States 2009
    Of course, this doesn't mean that Texas wouldn't be even worse if not for w/e gun laws--just that not "many home invasions" may not be all that much.
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    RANKED BY BURGLARY
    State				Violent crime	Murder	Forcible rape	Robbery	AggrAssault	Property crime	Burglary	Larceny-theft	Motor vehicle theft
    ARKANSAS	Per100k		517.7		6.2		47.3	89.4		374.8	3,773.7		1,203.1		2,359.3		211.2
    NORTH CAROLINA	Per100k		404.3		5.3		24.6	126.1		248.4	3,668.1		1,149.5		2,305.2		213.5
    NEW MEXICO	Per100k		619.0		8.7		52.6	93.1		464.7	3,735.8		1,095.8		2,317.8		322.2
    ALABAMA		Per100k		449.8		6.9		31.9	132.9		278.1	3,772.4		1,037.2		2,499.9		235.3
    OKLAHOMA	Per100k		501.1		6.2		41.5	90.7		362.7	3,573.8		1,030.0		2,261.7		282.2
    LOUISIANA	Per100k		620.0		11.8		30.3	135.9		442.0	3,794.6		1,029.5		2,504.3		260.8
    TENNESSEE	Per100k		667.7		7.3		31.7	153.2		475.5	3,754.1		1,010.9		2,505.4		237.8
    GEORGIA		Per100k		426.1		5.8		23.4	148.6		248.3	3,666.6		1,000.7		2,328.7		337.2
    SOUTH CAROLINA	Per100k		670.8		6.3		35.3	125.7		503.4	3,888.6		992.8		2,598.4		297.4
    MISSISSIPPI	Per100k		281.3		6.4		31.8	100.4		142.6	2,953.3		987.9		1,782.5		183.0
    FLORIDA		Per100k		612.5		5.5		29.7	166.7		410.6	3,840.8		981.1		2,588.6		271.1
    TEXAS		Per100k		490.9		5.4		33.4	153.5		298.7	4,015.5		969.4		2,737.2		308.9
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    State		Population	Violent crime	Murder 	Forcible rape	Robbery	AggrvAssault	Property crime	Burglary	Larceny-theft	Motor vehicle theft
    DC		per100k		1,345.9		24.0	25.0	731.9	565.0	4,745.4		616.4		3,206.5		922.5
    NEVADA		per100k		702.2		5.9	38.6	227.8	429.8	3,055.6		832.1		1,755.1		468.4
    MARYLAND	per100k		589.9		7.7	20.3	210.7	351.3	3,200.7		649.7		2,206.7		344.2
    DELAWARE	per100k		636.6		4.6	38.2	188.8	405.0	3,349.6		783.2		2,351.0		215.5
    ILLINOIS2, 3 	per100k		497.2		6.0	30.2	177.6	283.4	2,736.9		603.0		1,927.3		206.6
    CALIFORNIA	per100k		472.0		5.3	23.6	173.4	269.7	2,731.5		622.6		1,665.1		443.8
    FLORIDA		per100k		612.5		5.5	29.7	166.7	410.6	3,840.8		981.1		2,588.6		271.1
    OHIO		per100k		332.1		4.5	34.8	154.1	138.7	3,270.9		902.9		2,169.8		198.3
    PUERTO RICO	per100k		264.5		22.5	1.6	153.6	86.7	1,410.0		466.8		770.9		172.2
    TEXAS		per100k		490.9		5.4	33.4	153.5	298.7	4,015.5		969.4		2,737.2		308.9
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    RANKED BY VIOLENT CRIME
    State		Population	Violent crime	Murder	Forcible rape	Robbery	AggrvAssault	Property crime	Burglary	Larceny-theft	Motor vehicle theft
    DC		per100k		1,345.9		24.0	25.0		731.9	565.0		4,745.4		616.4		3,206.5		922.5
    NEVADA		per100k		702.2		5.9	38.6		227.8	429.8		3,055.6		832.1		1,755.1		468.4
    SOUTH CAROLINA	per100k		670.8		6.3	35.3		125.7	503.4		3,888.6		992.8		2,598.4		297.4
    TENNESSEE	per100k		667.7		7.3	31.7		153.2	475.5		3,754.1		1,010.9		2,505.4		237.8
    DELAWARE	per100k		636.6		4.6	38.2		188.8	405.0		3,349.6		783.2		2,351.0		215.5
    ALASKA		per100k		633.0		3.1	73.3		93.8	462.7		2,946.0		515.0		2,189.2		241.8
    LOUISIANA	per100k		620.0		11.8	30.3		135.9	442.0		3,794.6		1,029.5		2,504.3		260.8
    NEW MEXICO	per100k		619.0		8.7	52.6		93.1	464.7		3,735.8		1,095.8		2,317.8		322.2
    FLORIDA		per100k		612.5		5.5	29.7		166.7	410.6		3,840.8		981.1		2,588.6		271.1
    MARYLAND	per100k		589.9		7.7	20.3		210.7	351.3		3,200.7		649.7		2,206.7		344.2
    ARKANSAS	per100k		517.7		6.2	47.3		89.4	374.8		3,773.7		1,203.1		2,359.3		211.2
    OKLAHOMA	per100k		501.1		6.2	41.5		90.7	362.7		3,573.8		1,030.0		2,261.7		282.2
    ILLINOIS2, 3 	per100k		497.2		6.0	30.2		177.6	283.4		2,736.9		603.0		1,927.3		206.6
    MICHIGAN4	per100k		497.0		6.3	45.3		123.7	321.7		2,837.8		760.5		1,782.6		294.7
    MISSOURI	per100k		491.8		6.4	26.8		124.5	334.1		3,385.3		731.3		2,362.1		291.9
    TEXAS		per100k		490.9		5.4	33.4		153.5	298.7		4,015.5		969.4		2,737.2		308.9
    Keep in mind that Texas is a HUGE state, and parts of it skew the numbers for us in almost every regard. We never rank well educationally, but not because we don't have good schools. We have a HUGE population of non-English-speaking students, particularly in the South, that don't test well at all, which brings our averages down tremendously.

    Likewise, crime in this state is very heavy along our borders and in certain areas within our cities. There are very concentrated areas of crime, moreso than most states.

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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    So... because criminals will always have access to guns, you support imposing restrictions that will only impact the law-abiding? That makes perfect sense...
    Sorry EROD, don't mean to step on all of your statistics...which are pretty cool by the way...but I encourage all to read them.

    Now, back to "TheAngryAmerican's post...

    Wow...for some reason...my post to your reply to this just disappeared so it turns up later..I'll try to get close to my point as possible as the previous in my following comments.

    I'm a gun owner. That being said....

    I'm confused by your comment about me supporting or imposing restrictions of any kind. In fact, I've never mentioned anything close to supporting or suggesting restricting guns.

    You might want to re-read my comment to a poster who basically said, "Selling guns to the mentally ill is illegal" and I also assumed that the poster was alluding to: Since it's illegal, therefore the mentally ill can't get access to a gun.

    I just stated the fact that guns are bought and sold daily under the radar of authorities. It's been like that for eons, and will continue to be like that. And it doesn't really matter if a person is mentally ill or a criminal...or whoever wants a gun...can buy one via an illegal street vendor.

    I don't hunt. So, I might not own a gun if it weren't for criminals, mentally impaired who might just go off the deep end...and of course governments.

    Welp, that's it...thanks.

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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Sorry EROD, don't mean to step on all of your statistics...which are pretty cool by the way...but I encourage all to read them.

    Now, back to "TheAngryAmerican's post...

    Wow...for some reason...my post to your reply to this just disappeared so it turns up later..I'll try to get close to my point as possible as the previous in my following comments.

    I'm a gun owner. That being said....

    I'm confused by your comment about me supporting or imposing restrictions of any kind. In fact, I've never mentioned anything close to supporting or suggesting restricting guns.

    You might want to re-read my comment to a poster who basically said, "Selling guns to the mentally ill is illegal" and I also assumed that the poster was alluding to: Since it's illegal, therefore the mentally ill can't get access to a gun.

    I just stated the fact that guns are bought and sold daily under the radar of authorities. It's been like that for eons, and will continue to be like that. And it doesn't really matter if a person is mentally ill or a criminal...or whoever wants a gun...can buy one via an illegal street vendor.

    I don't hunt. So, I might not own a gun if it weren't for criminals, mentally impaired who might just go off the deep end...and of course governments.

    Welp, that's it...thanks.
    By your quotes in this thread, you very clearly support restrictions on where firearms can be carried. You appear to be against allowing responsible gun owners to carry guns on a college campus, if they choose to. Restricting where a gun can be carried is restricting guns, period. You sound like the comment from the article I posted on the first page where someone basically said, "We don't want to restrict your rights to own guns, we just want you to keep them all locked up!" (I recommend reading the quote if you haven't already. It was hilarious.)

    By your own admission, those who choose to disobey the law will always be able to obtain firearms. Since they already are comfortable disobeying the law, there is obviously nothing forcing them to comply with a simple restriction like a "Gun Free Zone," right? Still with me? So, those who choose to abide by the rule of law have effectively been disarmed and placed at the mercy of those who do not. Only a fool would try to resolve a conflict by placing all the power in the hands of their aggressor.

    That’s what I meant by saying that you support restrictions that only serve to threaten the law-abiding.
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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    By your quotes in this thread, you very clearly support restrictions on where firearms can be carried. You appear to be against allowing responsible gun owners to carry guns on a college campus, if they choose to. Restricting where a gun can be carried is restricting guns, period. You sound like the comment from the article I posted on the first page where someone basically said, "We don't want to restrict your rights to own guns, we just want you to keep them all locked up!" (I recommend reading the quote if you haven't already. It was hilarious.)

    By your own admission, those who choose to disobey the law will always be able to obtain firearms. Since they already are comfortable disobeying the law, there is obviously nothing forcing them to comply with a simple restriction like a "Gun Free Zone," right? Still with me? So, those who choose to abide by the rule of law have effectively been disarmed and placed at the mercy of those who do not. Only a fool would try to resolve a conflict by placing all the power in the hands of their aggressor.

    Thatís what I meant by saying that you support restrictions that only serve to threaten the law-abiding.
    Cool enough...you do have a talent for reading words that clearly aren't there. But some people love to make stuff up.

    In other words...if you can't accept the fact that people can buy guns illegally then so be it...it doesn't exist...right? And so therefore, it's just my imagination? And by even bring up that fact...it makes me anti-gun?

    Personally I don't care where "Licensed" concealed weapons are allowed "by law". But I think we both know that there are those who actually do live outside the law. That's something neither you are I can control. But we are both HOPEFULLY responsible gun owners who can control our behaviors in ways that won't violate laws that would give all other law abiding gun owning citizens a black eye. Right?

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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    To add to the dialogue.....liberals like to paint Texas as a state that hands out guns like flyers. As if we're all carrying all the time.

    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    To get a CHL, you have to pass a rigorous background check and take classes on gun safety. You have to demonstrate your ability to handle a gun, and you have to be registered for the type of gun you carry. It takes time and effort, not to mention as squeaky clean record, to get one. Most people have no interest in carrying anyway.

    But a wacko like what the Virginia Tech student might be stopped much sooner if a single student, or someone in the building, were carrying.

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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    And it's my experience that law enforcement accomplishes little more than counting dead bodies and writing speeding tickets anyway.

    When it comes to this type of violence, the police are wildly ineffective. They stop nothing.
    They will be happy to hear your valued opinion.

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    Re: Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The official position of the Chicago Police Department is dictated by the Mayor of Chicago, so that's certainly no surprise. I heard a Chicago copper on the radio the other day say that the majority of them think it's a good idea. 'Course that means nothing in the scheme of things, since it may not even be true.









    Looks to me like the Chicago PD could use some help. Innocents aren't droppin' like flies from accidental shootings by licensed gun owners in right-to-carry states. I'm inclined to think I'd rather take my chances.
    As those have little to do with schools, I'm not sure it matters. But more guns would likely mean more shootings, a more people shooting themselves. The shooting themselves is certainly supported by stats.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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